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Post by H on Aug 5, 2009 12:05:52 GMT 1
No, I "only" threw 61.00m with the 800 as an under 17 in '97 so didn't throw the qualifying distance which if I remember was 66.00m - I did have one of those red letter days though in training with the 800 later that summer season where it seemed the harder I tried the Javelin went further! - those days don't come around very often, but they do at times and if I remember rightly I threw 63/64m. My first and only junior Majors was the WJC's in Chile, 2000 indeed Phil and unfortunately or fortunately [depends how you look at it!] I actually qualified in terms of distance for the WJ's in annecy '98 - one you know well Phil! and also EJ's in Riga '99 but had Dave and Dan finish both times ahead of me at the AAA's and with Juniors only taking 2 per event it was those who got the places. I actually think I was maybe hard done by in '99, as I'd beaten Dan all year and Dan who was injured [ankle] took one throw at the AAA's to throw 69 and qualify, he couldn't throw any further throws due to his ankle - he then went to the champs injured and bombed with a 59 if I remember rightly. I think maybe if I'd of had that chance I may of done better than throw 59 and if nothing else would of been a huge help towards learning about championships in view to the Chile WJ's. To be fair to Dan he was one of the most fierce competitors I ever threw against and nearly always delivered when it mattered - at times in awful conditions. I really enjoyed competing amongst a real talented crop of young Javelin throwers back then - names at first which I'd only ever seen in the AW results section and to be honest 'names' that were my idols! Clifton Green, Dan Carter, Steve Jameson, David Parker, Tim Kitney, James Apps....all people I looked up to, as they were a year older and without doubt inspired me to emulate them the year later - seeing Dave beat Clifton for first time at the '95 Nottingham Schools' was incredible - seeing a Javelin fly 64.50m was amazing and the furthest I'd ever seen anyone throw a Javelin before!! I was always pretty much on my own in the rankings when I was the top year in the age group from top year u/17 onward really - not the same competitiveness to be had, but I have to say it did feel very good being ranked first and by quite a long way ahead. A slight ramble there, but nice to relive some nostalgic moments that most on here won't understand, but I'm sure you will Phil. you were 10m ahead of me lol and i remember thinking "Jesus thats far" at Bedford when you set your PB! ive deffo heard the Cannock story a few times though ;D! In reply to Lusis, who knows!!! That day @ bedford i was ready to throw as far as it took to win, atmosphere has'nt really been the same anywhere else! Maybe it's just Bedford lol
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Post by wez on Aug 5, 2009 12:55:09 GMT 1
Interesting point by Lusis there, ive noticed early season performances are often good and also end of season too sometimes. I can think of a few reasons for this: 1. Early season throwers are in great condition after winter and later they may get injured or lose form as they concentrate on technique more. 2. Regular throwing and comps can awaken the old technique demons who tells you to arm it. I know that i usually have a mid season dip before i figure out what i'm doing wrong and correct it again. 3. The wind is usually far better early and late summer. I would be willing to bet that H among others is suffering from all 3 of these factors to varying extents. I have been thinking that it might be wise to have a mid season timeout period when you just get back to training and leave the comps out for a while in time to peak for more important events. The alternative would be to totally train through less critical comps, but then that would be quite testing on the confidence side of things to deliberately under perform....... any thoughts
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Post by slinger on Aug 5, 2009 12:57:15 GMT 1
Lusis, I was going to post the very thing you said there the other day but got side tracked. Only Ian Burns has recently thrown a SB/PB, as far as the top guys are concerned.
It's very odd tbh and one I haven't really got a solid answer for, I do have some theories...
Early season does however always usually bring good throws out of most, as the excitement levels are incredibly high after a long winter's training. This is always a factor.
Did some of the guys shoot their bolt too early? - our current number one Mervyn threw his 81 early doors and tbh I did say at the time but I can't see him throwing much further than that the way he throws - I couldn't then and still can't now.
Has the weather been a factor? It's been far from a BBQ summer we were all promised and tbh it's been a wash out up here.
....a few thoughts.
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Post by sam on Aug 5, 2009 12:57:25 GMT 1
would agree with you wez!
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Post by slinger on Aug 5, 2009 17:58:46 GMT 1
Wez, in my PB year of 2000 I did just what you suggested there.
The plan was that with the main goal of the season being the WJ's in October, we planned to have 2 mini seasons - double periodise the competitive season if you like with the training block inbetween the two.
The idea was to throw the 69.00m WJ qual in the first period asap and get that done and dusted, as it happens I managed this at Eton first comp - second throw of the comp [how I remember all this, I have no idea!] with 69.76m, I then followed this up with 3 more comps in consecutive weeks with a 69.99, 70.15 and a then PB 71.77m.......then went back training for 8 weeks till August for the u/20 AAA's, incidently I opened the second mini season with a 69.06m then it was AAA's time and my actual to this date PB of 71.79m, I then did a 68 at Derby in one of those red hot, dead still horrible days the last week in August.....my only problem was there was no other comps to do until pretty much the WJ's in october, that's where I lost my competitive rhythem and form, which ultimately hurt my throwing at the WJ's.
My point is that with careful planning and clever training it can be done and IMO it's far, far better to throw well if it means less often than week in week out badly. I do understand however that this won't suit everyone.
I will say at this point that I did go back into training for 8 weeks, but threw very little in that time, the training wasn't that intense either and was pretty much what you would call a maintenance programme, tapering off toward the second mini season. Toward the end of this period I did alot of dry run up practise and felt very intune as I wanted to hit the ground running when I came back out, also to note I felt very fresh and just gagging to throw, due to the lack of throwing in this period.
I cannot believe that all our top guys have peaked too early with their training - it's too much of a coincidence that all threw far early and not so much recently, so for sure other factors must have influenced this.
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Post by gtb on Aug 23, 2009 14:46:18 GMT 1
Nice to see that Mike's managed start his season.....73.90 at Leicester the other day.
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Post by sam on Aug 24, 2009 7:04:46 GMT 1
better late than never! :-)
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Post by sam on Aug 29, 2009 9:00:06 GMT 1
well he's running out of time this year. He said in his interview for the iaaf post worlds that he does not go looking for good venues to throw big distances(90m+) he just wants to win everything.
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