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Post by ryanjav on Feb 11, 2007 18:03:37 GMT 1
As my son Ryan Stewart has now moved up an age group we have two javs for sale, both have only been used for one season and are in great condition. They are as follows:-
1) Nemeth 600g Club 70m rated. £130
2) Nemeth 600g Club 75m rated. £150
Postage for each is £15. Contact me at ianfiona@stewart7023.fsnet.co.uk
These javs must be of use to someone so please get in touch before I gift them to a charity shop.
Ian Stewart
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Post by wez on Feb 12, 2007 11:15:57 GMT 1
Ian.
It might not be a bad idea to keep one of them for underweight throws training- even though he will be throwing the 700g its good to promote the speed especially in comp season although he doesn't have to use a fancy spear for that, but the basic 600g training javs are very tip heavy and can be a little awkward to throw.
Wez
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Post by ryanjav on Feb 12, 2007 18:18:03 GMT 1
Thanks for the advice Wez. The problem is that Ryan will now be throwing Under 17 and under 20 weights and money don't grow on trees. I'm actively trying to obtain sponsorship but in the meantime these cracking spears have to go. By the look of it, we'll probably be holding onto them as interest hasn't been huge. I think the distance rating puts people off. Can you suggest what 700g and 800g to go for ?
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Post by wez on Feb 13, 2007 10:32:17 GMT 1
Which is the right jav can depend quite alot on the thrower. Generally speaking the higher rated ones are alot stiffer and therefore vibrate less and can fly further but if you are not a clean hitter they can be quite punishing on the body. Carbon javelins are the stiffest and i would probably recommend leaving them alone until later on in his career. There are 2 basic variations on the spear construction besides carbon, that is aluminium javs like OTE and Nemeth or steel javs like Nordic make. Then there are 2 basic different aerodynamic styles, blunt pointed spears (Nordic Orbit- OTE tailwind- Nemeth classic) need to be flighted very smoothly indeed but have the potential to fly a little further especially with a tail wind. Sharp pointed spears on the other hand are a little easier to flight as they can self correct a little in the air and are rumoured to perform better in a headwind. In general the 70m rated 800g javs are quite inferior although much more affordable so it is probably worth stepping up to an 80 or 90 rated spear if he is aiming for the top, but that is getting into very expensive territory and as he will be concentrating more on the 700g in competition maybe he can borrow 800g spears from other throwers and get to see which he prefers before making the financial commitment. checkout this link for reasonable prices www.neuff.co.uk/javelins.htmlIn my opinion some great elite range spears include Nordic super elite 90, Nemeth classic 85 Top level spears: Nordic Orbit, Nemeth classic 90, OTE comp tailwind then there are also carbon versions of the OTE and Nordic and a slightly stiffer Nemeth too but in my opinion unless your techique is really excellent they are high risk vs high reward spears. You will notice i have only really quoted blunt end spears, but to be honest i think they are in general better as they can potentially fly further with a little finese but some of the big strong throwers do prefer for example the Nordic Champion as it is a little more technically forgiving. As to which 700g jav- i have no idea, i never got the hang of throwing them when i was U17, i did better with the 800g- but you could perhaps send a personal message to slinger as he seems to know all about them. In the meantime good luck off loading the other two. and stick to Nementh OTE and Nordic, the other makes are fine for training but not really made to such high standards for comps.
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Post by slinger on Feb 13, 2007 17:31:07 GMT 1
hi ian, as a rival [ i coach my nephew who is a rival to your son] should i try and help you in finding a javelin to suit ryan, or should i be secretive??? of course i'll try and help!!! ;D after all i love the event and seeing youngsters throwing well reminds me of the success i had and the feelings i got from it when i was young, so if i can help i will.
firstly i don't think there are many people more qualified [if there is such a thing] about when it comes to 700g javelins, i have thrown all of them, bar one and no-one has thrown further than what i did as an u/17 since i was an u/17 and that's 10 years ago this year.
firstly there are three distinct types of 700 javelin - the rubbish one [that doesn't float] the floater and in between, safe javelin.
the 700g javelin unlike the 600 and 800g javelin has never been changed centre of gravity and as a result still has very strong aerodynamic qualities and when thrown right can have an extended float during flight, it also however makes flighting the thing more difficult, too much nose up or nose down and it'll just stall and "top" or bail out and tbh go nowhere, also in strong winds it can pose a problem, as for example a strong cross wind can make the implement blow out of the sector, especially a strong left to right for a right hander, a note must be said at this time that with the floating tendencies of some 700g javelins the red flag man can get very happy and stick it up in the air a little too often and with many of the flag people about not really knowing what they are doing, as they can float and land very, very flat and big throws in the past have been borderline illegal and maybe even legal, but given a white flag - this can be tough on kids, measuring of the actual throw can be tough, as it does land very flat and bounce off, finding the actual mark for some officials seems to be tough for ex. throws fest was a joke and they were measuring from guess marks.
so on this basis many u/17 have 2 javelins - a safe one, a banker if you like, one they know will make a mark and even stick in and a floater style one.
dan pembroke, who is the highest ranked u/17 from last year who is a still an u/17 this season, as far as i'm aware threw the nordic pegasus, this is quite a high spec 700g javelin and is priced reasonable, dan threw it 62.17m. It is a very consistent javelin with the flight and sticks in most, it's good in all wind conditions, even a slight tail wind too, i would call this javelin a safer one.
bonne buwembo threw the slightly higher spec 700g javelin - the nordic rapide 80, this javelin again is a good one, it has more floaty tendencies than the pegasus and i have no doubt go further in the right pair of hands, but can land flat, it's not too good in very strong tailwinds, but is fine in the strongest headwinds and cross winds, out of all the 700g javelins this is what i would consider one of the very best, an excellent all round 700g javelin.
there's one higher spec nordic 700g javelin than the rapide and that's the nordic eagle - i've never thrown this one before, as it was made when i was u/17 but by all accounts it's a floater and in the right hands will fly very far, it also has a ridiculous price tag of nearly 500 pounds, to get the very best out of this one, it has to be thrown a long way, as it will always land very flat and get red flags from experience with other out and out floaters i wouldn't bother with this until at the very least 60 - 70m throwing, it is designed with the youths [17 year olds] in mind, as in the world youth championships they throw this weight javelin.
what did i throw? i had 2 javelins in my first year u/17 and they were a nordic rapide 60m and an apollo aeroflow, the rapde 60m was a second hand buy and luckily i didn't pay too much as it's nowhere near as good as the 70m or 80m versions, the one i threw for every throw was the apollo, the apollo is the most under rated 700 going, it is very much a floating javelin and rivals the rapide 80 in this department, but i would say it's not as good in a tailwind as the rapide 80, the best thing with this javelin is it was only about 60 pounds, many kids scough at it because it's often a stadium javelin and not all that fancy but it's a superb javelin for the money. If i told you david parker threw his first UK record of 73.06m with one, may change your mind, he even threw it 68.38m as a first year u/17. The only draw back is apollo don't make javelin anymore and to get hold of one could be tough, they did make an aerodyne laser version but they were a little dearer, about a hundred pounds and you may still be able to get hold of one of these, but these by all accounts weren't quite as good as the cheaper one.
Just after mt first year season finished in 1996 i received a phone call one night off david parker's dad and told me they were selling the two javelins dave threw in his record breaking year they were - a nordic rapide 80 and a newer javelin that hadn't been out long from nemeth, now dave only got hold of this nemeth just after the english schools' and only threw it a couple of times and one of those times was a new UK record of 73.56m so i knew it must have been a good javelin, anyway i bought both for 160 pounds and this nemeth is just superb, it's incredibly harsh and not forgiving, if you throw it slightly miss-hit it won't go anywhere, but when you throw it well it goes. When i threw it i was throwing nearly 70m and it thanked me for it, but other kids seeing me throw it would ask to borrow it and they regretted it as it didn't fly anywhere, as they didn't understand that it needed to hit so clean or it would go. There is a newer nemeth 700g javelin out now and is about 200 pounds and we have one of these too, i bought it thinking it was an updated model of the original nemeth i also have and tbh it's nowhere near as good, it does still float but nowhere near as good as the rapide 80 or the older nemeth and we don't even take it to training anymore to throw, as we are that disappointed in it - yours for 200 pounds! ;D
ones to forget - the polaniks, they are very floppy and don't float at all, the rapide 60m and even the newer nemeth [but try someone's as you might like it]
ones to go for - the rapide 80, pegasus, apollo and the eagle [if throwing UK record distances]
i hope that's helped.
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Post by Patience on Feb 13, 2007 20:50:46 GMT 1
Could I interest you in an Apollo Aeroflow 700g for around £100? Or perhaps Sir would like the 700g laserI'm sure Slinger will be along to say "they aren't proper", but, hey! Sadly Stadia Sports no longer have their Clearance Catalogue which was a good place for the odd javelin.
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Post by slinger on Feb 13, 2007 21:30:00 GMT 1
Could I interest you in an Apollo Aeroflow 700g for around £100? Or perhaps Sir would like the 700g laserI'm sure Slinger will be along to say "they aren't proper", but, hey! Sadly Stadia Sports no longer have their Clearance Catalogue which was a good place for the odd javelin. i quote from my last post - "what did i throw? [glow=red,2,300]i [/glow]had 2 javelins in my first year u/17 and they were a nordic rapide 60m and an [glow=red,2,300]apollo aeroflow[/glow], the rapde 60m was a second hand buy and luckily i didn't pay too much as it's nowhere near as good as the 70m or 80m versions, [glow=red,2,300]the one i threw for every throw was [/glow]the [glow=red,2,300]apollo[/glow], the [glow=red,2,300]apollo [/glow]is the most under rated 700 going, it is very much a floating javelin and rivals the rapide 80 in this department, but i would say it's not as good in a tailwind as the rapide 80, the best thing with this javelin is it was only about [glow=red,2,300]60 pounds[/glow], many kids scough at it because it's often a stadium javelin and not all that fancy but it's a superb javelin for the money. If i told you david parker threw his first [glow=red,2,300]UK record of 73.06m [/glow]with one, may change your mind, he even threw it 68.38m as a first year u/17. The only draw back is apollo don't make javelin anymore and to get hold of one could be tough, they did make an [glow=red,2,300]aerodyne laser version [/glow]but they were a [glow=red,2,300]little dearer[/glow], about a hundred pounds and you may still be able to get hold of one of these, but these by all accounts [glow=red,2,300]weren't quite as good [/glow]as the cheaper one." sooooooooo..........i take you never read my last post patience!!! yeah, it's a long-ish post and i know i go on at times.........
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Post by Patience on Feb 13, 2007 21:40:09 GMT 1
I did! I did! I did! I thought you were going to say the Apollos I posted "weren't proper ones" 'cos you can still buy them, brand new and in a wrapper! Don't get upset, please!
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Post by slinger on Feb 13, 2007 22:18:59 GMT 1
;D ;D ;D hey up! slinger's don't get upset apologies for the contrast of thought...... have some karma for the inconvience........
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Post by sam on Feb 13, 2007 22:30:17 GMT 1
as an addition to slingers post about the 700g spears, Nordic Rapid 80 and Nordic Pegasus and the Nordic Eagle i will add this
Dan threw the Pegasus 62.17m Bonne threw it 62.68m Bonne threw the Rapid 65.12m and 66.54m James Campbell threw the Eagle 68m+ and 72m+ as an U18
This season Dan pembroke will be throwing the Eagle and the Pegasus
From what you can see there is that the Pegasus seems to have a low 60's range and will stick in EVERY TIME The Rapid is good for mid to high 60's (no doubt in even better and bigger hands good for 70m+ The Eagle is a high 60 and well worth 70m+ in the right hands!
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Post by slinger on Feb 14, 2007 0:35:56 GMT 1
to add to sam's list......
i think james threw the newer blue nemeth [that we don't like and is still available] for his 68m u/17 throw and only got the eagle [he got 2] for the world youths, lee doran also threw the blue newer nemeth for his 67m u/17 throw.
tim kitney threw his 65.92 with the blue nemeth, dan cater's 66.00 was with the old nemeth that we have and is no longer available. I'm unsure what clifton green threw for his first year u/17 throw of 64.18 but i think it was the apollo aeroflow, if not then the rapid 80, deffo not the nemeth [the pegasus and the eagle wasn't about then]
gary jensen threw his old u/17 record of 72 with an old apollo aeroflow.
dave parker's best throws were -
73.56m UK record was with the old nemeth, that i now have at home. 73.04m with the old apollo aeroflow. 70.52m english schools' record was with the newer apollo aerodyne 70m rated. 67 and bits with the rapid 80
i think i have just about gone through the most recent additions of the last 10/11 years of the UK all time list there! ;D
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Post by wez on Feb 14, 2007 10:30:57 GMT 1
lol i had a feeling slinger might have an opinion or two about 700's hehehe...... Now i come to think about it my u17 pb of a mere 49.54m was with a yellow apollo and it was a stadium jav although i never could get the damn thing to fly. Then again i was rubbish
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Post by ryanjav on Feb 14, 2007 12:17:11 GMT 1
So, it looks like the Pegasus and Rapid would be good buys for a first year Under 17 and if he shows promise then the eagle. Have already got the Nemeth jav and am very disappointed in it. The Apollo beats it hands down.
Now lets move onto 800g javs as Ryan will be throwing in quite a few Under 20 comps. I'm looking for a jav that will suit him now and one he will grow into. I'm considering the Super Elite 80m and the Airglider. Has anyone any advice ?
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Post by wez on Feb 14, 2007 12:51:55 GMT 1
I bought an airglider last year and just couldn't get on with it and i know plenty of other people have siad the same thing. In the end i traded it in for a super elite and found that suited me alot better. I have the 90m version it is exactly the same javelin as the 80m version except has a blunt point so suits neutral or tailwinds more. The 80m is mostly for decathletes as it is an in flight correction spear. If you like Nordics and don't mind spending a bit more then the Orbit is a lovely spear and easily good enough for huge throwing.
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Post by ryanjav on Feb 14, 2007 13:04:18 GMT 1
Ryan has just turned 15, he's throwing about 50m with an Apollo jav at the moment but he's getting taller, faster and stronger all the time. Currently 6'4" 15 stone and growing. Like I said I'm after something to start with and another to progress to.
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