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Post by wez on Feb 14, 2007 13:54:45 GMT 1
well in that case it might be best to go with the super elite 80m for now or perhaps a nemeth club 80m as both are good spears and will let him get away with a few technical errors in the learning process and then think about getting the second one after this season. You will have a better idea of what sort of thrower he is by then and he will have got an idea for himself as to what he wants, the top level spears are very expensive and its probably sensible to wait a little while longer until he really needs it.
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Post by slinger on Feb 14, 2007 16:25:16 GMT 1
gawd knows what they feed them on in scotland! 6' 4'' and 15 stone! ;D
well i'll stick my two peneth in for the 800's as well.
my advice would be to go nordic again [like the 700's] as they are very consistently made and they churn spears out that are the same time after time, which is less than can be said about other javelin manufacturers - you can borrow a mates nemeth 90 800g and love it then buy your own to find it feels very different and can even be much heavier! - very odd, but it does happen.
super elite 80 is a nice forgiving spear for the beginner 800g thrower and a good choice but my choice of spear for the first timer is the champion every time, very forgiving, a lovely solid grip which you can get a real good purchase on and will last for a life time if looked after, as it's a very top end javelin without the drawbacks that other top spec javs give such as being very stiff and not forgiving on strike, you see if you "come across" a stiff javelin on strike then A. it's more punishing on the body as there's little give, so shocks the body and B. won't correct itself mid flight as much as a slightly bendier forgiving javelin would.
go with either one of these and you'll have a javelin that will see you through a lot, ask chris smith if you can have a go with his, i'm sure he has a champion.
i would see it as an investment.
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Post by ryanjav on Feb 14, 2007 17:10:05 GMT 1
Slinger, I see the Champion is rated 100m, is that a problem for someone that won't reach near that(if ever) for years ? Also, do you know anyone after a top notch shot putt. I've got a 4kg stainless shot going for about £35. Postage could be a problem though. Going back to javs, we have now dropped Shot Putt from Ryan's events and are now stuck with Hammer and Jav. I like hammer as it doesn't punish the body as much but I think he is more gifted to Jav. He threw 55.65 from a standing 5 stride run up last year and could have went a lot further if his body could have withstood it. I don't know when to choose which event to stick with but having two to train for causes a compromise. Any advice ?
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Post by slinger on Feb 14, 2007 18:44:26 GMT 1
no, the champion is fine.
thrown normally it will land point first for 50m throws no problem, in fact all top rated javelins will at that distance, so if ryan throws 50 with the 8 he'll be fine, my money would be on that a better specced javelin would fly further than say a nordic viking or master 60 if ryan threw it, BUT at the end of the day it's best to find someone who has a variety of javelins high and low spec ones and just see which he likes, the actual "feel" or the thing in the hand is often the clincher for which javelin to go for as most fly very similar, especially the better ones.
i recommend the champion as it's the most forgiving top end javelin on the body and the flight that i know of, but doesn't compromise performance.
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Post by lee on Feb 14, 2007 19:15:43 GMT 1
hi phil my lad luke has james campbell old nemeth 700 it goes very well he thrown it a long way want tell you how far but he will suprise a few people this year he thrown it just under 55 m last season , so i will let you guess the rest , watch out for the other brother thomas he no fire with his throwing that 11 year age best will be broke easy this season he been throwing 43plus in training thats only once a week throwing , any way hope your boy doing ok lee
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Post by slinger on Feb 14, 2007 20:31:13 GMT 1
good to hear lee! the u/17's this season should be a bit better than last year, as there are still a few in the age group close to 55 and more still in the age group this year, so things should raise the standard nicely.
young thomas for me was the most impressive person there at javfest last year, so as you might be able to tell i rate him very highly ;D
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Post by lee on Feb 14, 2007 22:12:36 GMT 1
thanks phil yes its going to be a cracker u17s english schools this year, see what happens, yes when people see thomas throw they carnt get into there head he only 11years old also he is only in his first year as under 13 god knows what he goner do next , he started to throw with his hip now , both have swapped clubs and swapped coaches as well ,me and luke was clashing all the time, even at home aswell so we made the swap and it seems to be working for them , hard thing to do but the best we thought lee
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Post by wez on Feb 15, 2007 10:46:08 GMT 1
Slinger mate Nordic should be paying you comission!!!, but yeah i agree great spears and if you can afford the extra few quid the champion is a very similar jav to the super eilte 80 but probably all around a little better. Not sure where it gets its 100 rating from though! as far as i know the furthest its ever been lobbed is about 86m by Mick Hill- in the cannon launch tests it falls a little short of the airglider and orbit which all have the same distance rating, but then again i've never seen a cannon competing at the olympics!
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Post by ryanjav on Feb 15, 2007 13:49:43 GMT 1
Just to remind everyone, the two javs mentioned at the beginning of this thread are still for sale. Sensible offers will be considered. I'm not after a swap unless the gear is brand new and what we've already talked about. reply to ianfiona@stewart7023.fsnet.co.uk
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Post by slinger on Feb 15, 2007 14:00:43 GMT 1
yeah nordic should! ;D i'll have to speak to my agent ;D supposedly out of all the steel nordics the airglider goes furthest when fired out of a machine. tell you what though, i was an OTE man! i only threw the nordics in my early days with the 8, champion when i was still under 17 which i threw 61.00m and an orbit the year after which i threw 68m i then got hold of an OTE and before my first year u/20 had finished i was using the OTE instead of the orbit and threw another 68 with it, from then on it was OTE all the way - the actual model was the tailwind 90 [red and silver WR one] if i was still throwing now i'd probably have switched to the new FX composite model from OTE, i got hold of one last year and it felt UNBELIEVABLE in my hand, felt reeeeaaallly nice. the longest throw with a steel champion wez i think is backley's 91.46m WR - he rarely used anything else.
zelezny used an OTE tailwind 90 for his 98.48m WR and an old orange orbit for his other WR's.
aki parviainen used a carbon nordic for his 93.09m - i'm guessing it was the c/champion actually, as he used that more than the c/orbit. This is the longest [legal] carbon throw.
zelezny's best with carbon is 92.80m from the world champs in 2001.
i'm unsure what javelin sergey makarov used for his 92.61m, again probably carbon, if not carbon then a steel nemeth.
raymond hecht used the steel orbit for his 92.60m.
kostas gatzioudis used the c/orbit for his 91.69m.
andreas thorkildsen used the c/ airglider for his 91.59m - but used the OTE FX composite most of the year.
tero pitkamaki used the normal steel nemeth 90 for his 91.53m
and then we come back to backley and his 91.46m auckland WR.
hope that's helped!
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Post by wez on Feb 15, 2007 17:06:20 GMT 1
cheers for that Stato! shows how much i know dunnit!
So what do we learn from this- it doesn't matter too much what javelin you throw just so long as you like it and it suits your style because all the top spec spear are capable of flying over 90m anyway.
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Post by slinger on Feb 15, 2007 17:38:57 GMT 1
yeah agree! also.......more importantly -
Posted by ryanjav on Today at 12:49pm Just to remind everyone, the two javs mentioned at the beginning of this thread are still for sale. Sensible offers will be considered. I'm not after a swap unless the gear is brand new and what we've already talked about. reply to ianfiona@stewart7023.fsnet.co.uk
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Post by ryanjav on Feb 16, 2007 16:30:35 GMT 1
Guys,
I'm going to have one last bash on E-Bay and include the Nemeth 700g Special that I also have. Any suggestions as to a good starting price(keep it sensible), I don't want to give them away although the local charity shop was very keen.(Owners son is probably a thrower !!)
Any last ditch offers to ianfiona@stewart7023.fsnet.co.uk before I throw them to the vultures.
Ian Stewart
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Post by Patience on Feb 16, 2007 17:39:25 GMT 1
I can't comment on what starting price you should use, however, I can give some advise regarding eBay.
I have bought and sold a good many things on eBay. As a seller, the items that have been most successful have gone with a low starting price. Whenever I have listed anything near the price I want, there has been no interest. As a buyer, I would not look at something with such a high start price unless I really, really wanted it. Once people have started to bid they tend to get addicted. I notice that you have also bought and sold through eBay so the above should not be news to you. It's good that the information you have provided on eBay in the past details any damage (and shows it in a picture). It would be best if the listing also included the 600g javs are to the 1999 spec.
Probably the biggest problem you have is javelin is still a reasonably specialised purchase, so your market is small. It's also compouned by being a towards the top end of the market. Whilst this will attract many U15s, it may put off many of the girls/women.
It is possible that eBay is the wrong place to sell it, but I can't off the top of my head think of a better place. This board should have been ideal, but for a flaw in your selling strategy. Never, never, never say you will donate them to the Charity Shop if they don't sell, cos there is no way I'd pay anywhere near the asking price if I heard that! If you say you are prepared to give them away then you should, in a negotiating situation, be prepared to sell for an awful lot less. If I was looking to buy these javs I wouldn't be looking at paying any more than £40 on the second hand market.
Perhaps a better time to sell would be at the start of the season when people are keen and thinking about getting a jav. A "new" jav is a good reward for a youngster who has just won their county jav.
I'm a bit puzzled why you are selling a 700g jav as this is Ryan's weight for this year. I wouldn't recommend selling it in with the 600g as it will limit the appeal and customer size of the lighter javs.
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Post by lifebeginsat40 on Feb 17, 2007 17:56:00 GMT 1
Guys, I'm going to have one last bash on E-Bay and include the Nemeth 700g Special that I also have. Any suggestions as to a good starting price(keep it sensible), I don't want to give them away although the local charity shop was very keen.(Owners son is probably a thrower !!) Any last ditch offers to ianfiona@stewart7023.fsnet.co.uk before I throw them to the vultures. Ian Stewart I too have bought and sold loads on Ebay, as well as Javelins and sports stuff. You need to put them on at next to nothing and let the buyers outbid each other, do not go anywhere near the selling price that you would like as you will get nowhere. Most of the bidding will be done in the last couple of hours. One thing concerns me though, and forgive me for saying, but if you are prepared to give them away to a Charity Shop, why cant you offer them to someone on here, or donate them to your local club?
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