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Post by lifebeginsat40 on May 21, 2007 21:11:00 GMT 1
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Post by lifebeginsat40 on May 21, 2007 21:56:01 GMT 1
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Post by Administrator on May 21, 2007 22:11:26 GMT 1
No time for break dancing Merv! Good to see you putting 110% in in though mate!
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Post by nije on May 21, 2007 23:04:01 GMT 1
Good video James - It appears my info about Dave throwing out of the sector left was inaccurate or I got it wrong.
edited for quality control
Great throwing everyone. Regret not actually being there now!
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Post by lifebeginsat40 on May 21, 2007 23:30:02 GMT 1
Nije, Dave did throw one well out of the sector, to the right though! If my memory serves me right, the last throw.
Chris
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Post by wez on May 22, 2007 11:16:41 GMT 1
What Merv does there really is quite incredible, i don't think i've ever seen anything like that!!! Atleast noone can accuse him of being scared to commit to the throw. Just imagine what would happen if he could channel all that madness into the spear
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Post by sam on May 22, 2007 23:00:57 GMT 1
82m this year at this stage at a guess.. but it's down to him and his coach to be willing to change something which is kinda effective..
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Post by Tezzykins on May 22, 2007 23:14:01 GMT 1
No time for break dancing Merv! Good to see you putting 110% in in though mate! Bless him he could of hurt himself lol. Dang good throw too, and good dancing at the end ;D At least if athletics doesn't work out for you you have break dancing to fall back on
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Post by dobster on May 23, 2007 10:37:04 GMT 1
82m this year at this stage at a guess.. but it's down to him and his coach to be willing to change something which is kinda effective.. Sam - can you explain this one - are you saying that Merv could throw 82m this year!! I certainly hope not as there is no way he can. Now, he has the potential to throw far, but there are so many fundamental things wrong with his technique that there is no way he will throw that distance this year. Yes he has a big hit on him and gets into (not all the time) a good throwing base, but there is masses that are wrong at the moment. I am not going to elaborate in detail but those who have an appreciation of throwing technique should understand - Merv is probably 2-3 years away from throwing 80+, his technique from what I have seen hasn't really altered that much in the last 12 months either. Sorry to rant, and this is no slight on Merv as I recognise that he is one of the very few throwing talents we have, but lets gain some perspective and not loose sight on what it does take to throw 80+. Tom
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Post by slinger on May 23, 2007 13:06:04 GMT 1
......and that's what worries me about him - technically from the four times that i have seen him this year, i'm not convinced he has improved. it worries me because it would be a huge shame if he didn't go on to get near his potential, i'm not having digs either because he's a fellow competitor who has thrown further than me, i just love the event and want to see the event progress like it could and should do this year....... if anything it shows a failing in the system possibly? like it has with mike allen who is injured right now [different situation i know] and might only do one comp before the trials if not any before the trials, i doubt he's recieving any medical support to help him get back fit??? which is sooooo wrong as if he isn't UKa want shooting, as mike is a genuine contender for a world champs spot and therefore Uka "should" be working their danggley bits off to help him........ then again i could say the same about dave who has failed to recieve help medical wise at important times.........i could also say the same about me not receiving it when i needed it ............but i won't!
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Post by dobster on May 23, 2007 13:49:30 GMT 1
Phill - interesting to note about Mike - that really is an oversight on the part of UKA if accurate. In terms of medical support - well that may be one of the options for my Masters thesis - along with the following:
- Is the UK Athletics approach to coaching the most appropriate model to facilitate Olympic Success.
- The injured athlete - can UK Athletics do more to facilitate the recovery from a serious injury and career ending injuries.
Also thinking about:
- Do pre-performance routines enhance performance in Javelin Throwing, and if so by what mechanism. If they do not what psychological techniques could be used.
- Mental skills in Javelin throwing: theory, evidence and practice. Do mental skills enhance throwing performance, and if so, do javelin throwers utilize them consistently and appropriately?
Anyway - some interesting areas to think about over the next few weeks.
Tom
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Post by slinger on May 23, 2007 21:21:04 GMT 1
certainly in my mind pre throw routines are vital from my experiences, i have had the very same routine from the order in which i do things to the actual words i say to myslef prior to throwing......i think if anything it gives you some familularity and a sense of consistency prior to throwing, almost so the whole sequence becomes natural and feels normal, it should be for me that as soon as the whole process begins you should instantly know what is going on, for me it's like the switch of a light, others maybe a slow process of preparing for throwng.
i wouldn't entertain the idea of throwing without first going through my pre-throw routine, as it really does trigger and spark something inside me that says "it's time"
...it's probably the most important aspect of my throwing right now, as when throwing javelins i don't really think about any technical aspects.......mainly because when i throw it's generally 100% and don't want to have a head full of stuff, i just use things that have happened in my life past and present as inspiration and this gives me huge motivation when throwing.
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Post by nije on May 23, 2007 22:07:25 GMT 1
What's up with Mike - what's hurting and how? merv is getting a bit of a pasting of us all - and i feel kind of bad for him. Does he read this stuff or his coach?
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Post by lifebeginsat40 on May 23, 2007 22:14:43 GMT 1
Nije
Yes Merv gets to know what is on here as I show or tell him.
John (his coach) comes on very rarely, but not up to me what Merv chooses to take on board, or not as the case may be.
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Post by Administrator on May 23, 2007 22:16:35 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure Merv's coach looks on the site - not sure about Merv himself. I think we need to remember about Merv that he was only throwing 58m a couple of seasons ago and he really has come a long way since then (almost 15 metres!). I hope (as I am sure we all do) he continues to move closer to his potential and I think its because people realise how much potential he has that he has become such a talking point.
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