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Post by slinger on Apr 9, 2007 18:50:31 GMT 1
cheers guys! yeah i know what you mean tom, that was my worst throw and was too fast during the carry, i used to be faster tbh, but i'm not too ready for that just yet and as a result the X overs were a bit choppy, a little too excited too early in the sesion i think everyone has different run up styles and say someone like backley or james C where their run ups are very much a slow accelerating style, as the way they actually perform their X overs suits this, but me being very side on and only do 5 strides in my withdrawl [backley used 9 and so does james C] it has to be quick during my carry - pretty much full running speed tbh [maybe something like 75%] and then maintain the speed through my X overs - imagine someone like tero for example. however ideally i do agree that obviously you should be at your fastest point when you stick your left on it! but i've always thrown like that and i don't think i'll change it now and when i do get it right it does work, it just means that because it is so fast at times the timing is so fine that it does go wrong more. my last throws of that session were better, as i slowed my carry a tad and it helped, but i think it'll come with time, so no worries about my running i don't think.....more thinking about keeping the jav up a bit at the back tbh. but hey ho, i'm happy as can be so it's all good!
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Post by sam on Apr 9, 2007 22:33:37 GMT 1
ooh i have a buzz... roll on saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by wez on Apr 10, 2007 10:08:21 GMT 1
Not bad atall mate for a rusty ripple! Your elbow looks to be a little bent in this throw though and as you say the arm is too low so you probably didn't get the most out of the pull when you slammed your plant leg down but its all very tweekable , i'm gonna predict a season entry for slinger of 68.50m at javfest
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Post by slinger on Apr 10, 2007 12:33:36 GMT 1
tbh wez top half wised that's longer than i ever was, but yeah it's ok - thank you for the nice comments though, they all go to making one feel good about themselves! ;D
68.50??? i'd be over the moon with that mate.
i have said that 65 would be a distance that i'd be relatively happy with, but for me it's about mixing it and competing, so if i'm out on my own at 65 then i won't get as much out of it as if someone has thrown something i feel i can match and i give it a slinger stylee go at beating it, that for me is what i'm looking forward to most this year - for someone to throw something and for me to have the oppertunity to throw further on that day.
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Post by slinger on Apr 10, 2007 13:04:45 GMT 1
79.5kg too btw! i think to continue the weight loss much more cardio will have to be done in conjuction with the diet, but tbh as i'm back throwing i won't be doing anything really aerobic like jogging 3 or 4 times a week as i want to sharpen up as much as i can, so it'll be sprints and the like for the immediate future, as i lack a bit of sharpness in not only my legs, but also my top half tbh............700g 7/8 time and the odd cricket ball throw maybe........ i might still lose a bit doing this as over volume of training has gone up loads tbh, so this will take it's toll on my unconditioned body of mine.........the last week or so i have thrown 4 times and driven loads and yesterday for example i felt as if i'd done 10 rounds with mike tyson! my weekly massage is booked for thursday and usually it's on my back, glutes and hips [for my lower back problems] but i think i need every where else doing too ;D a typical week prior to deciding to compete again, but still trying to lose weight was like - monday - light weights with high reps - a few compund movements, with a couple of isolation exercises. wednesday - 5 mile bike cycle. friday - light weights with high reps - a few compund movements, with a couple of isolation exercises. now it'll be something like monday - light lifting [i'm not technically good enough or even confident to go for singles tbh] something like 70% for 3 sets of 4 or 5 snatch, bench, explosive half squats, later on i'll drop the weight and go at something like 60% for something like 5,4,4,3 with some replicating med ball throws after each set or box jumps after the squats. tuesday - track session, 60 - 100m strides, short 30m sprints javelin running simulations. thursday - track session, 60 - 100m strides, short 30m sprints javelin running simulations, maybe some ball throws into the net, drilling in what i want. weekend compete or lift again on friday and weekend do nothing. if i compete on a saturday i'll sack thursdays session off, i really like two full days of nothing before competing. as and when i throw javelins in training will be as and when i want to, i don't throw to try and work on things as 1. i don't feel as though i really need to [some of the drills i'll do willhelp me there] and 2. i want to remain as keen and hungury for it as possible...........in the winter i'll be throwing more, but not now...........if i'm really honest the way i throw javelins is incredibly tiring not only physiacally, but mentally too as i have to build my self over and over again and it's incredbily tiring and draining, i cannot do too many sessions like that, if i could change the way i throw i would - if i could throw without having to get so focused i would, as my nerves are shot at at the end of a session! but unfortunately that's just the way i throw - it's all or nothing, do or die stuff. for me throwing is and should be done only when i REALLY feel good in training and not every tuesday and thursday night without fail for example...............if i only throw one session a month i want it to be a bloody great session and for me this much more beneficial than having one good session a month but with loads of bad ones too.
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Post by wez on Apr 10, 2007 14:13:57 GMT 1
oih where can i get a 700g 7/8?
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Post by slinger on Apr 10, 2007 16:38:43 GMT 1
erm i nicked mine from backley.........don't tell him though ;D tbh mate i'm unsure...........have scan around the usual suspects for javs mate? - neuff, stadiasports, selectsports, classicalsports that sort of thing and that's is all i can come up with mate.........if you can't find a specific 7/8, then just lob a decent 700 in a headwind -
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Post by dobster on Apr 10, 2007 17:19:13 GMT 1
oih where can i get a 700g 7/8? Wez - OTE do them and you can get them from NEUFF - silver 700gm but same size as 800. If you struggle to get one let me know - I have 3 and can give you one at the first BAL match or if that fails send it over to Finland for you.. Tom
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Post by wez on Apr 10, 2007 21:22:30 GMT 1
Just had a look on the Neuff site, they are £170! thats quite alot for a training spear, i got my 1000g jav for about £50!!! If you can spare one Tom then i'll gladly give you some reddies for it. I do sometimes throw light weight javs in training but the trouble is i've got quite long arms and i find it really difficult to control the point on shorter spears. I threw a 400g today just for fun but the point was right behind my head which i find pretty scary...suicide by javelin...lol
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Post by slinger on Apr 19, 2007 16:47:38 GMT 1
people have said to me after throwing, you should train more now and tbh i would love to!!! but i really don't know from day to day how my back is going to be, so to form a plan and a schedule is difficult. i think my best plan for this summer at least is to play it by ear and just go from day to day, do others agree this is sensible? anyway, i'm going throwing tonight - my first training session of any sorts since i threw on saturday, as my back's been a bit dodgy since coming home unfortunately i'll let you guys know how it went! the wind should be spot on, if a little cold, but at least in the right direction i have one or two things in my mind about what i want to achieve out of the session - nothing major mind, just one little tweaky thing really. though not that important now really i weigh 79.0kg if anyone's interested.
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Post by wez on Apr 19, 2007 17:28:39 GMT 1
If i were you slinger i would start doing core stability work 2-3 times per week paying particular care with the lower back as power aquisition at this point would not be a sensible thing in terms of longevity. Just keep the power levels you have ticking over and do plenty of the things which don't upset your back, for example sprints and drills and certain medball exercises.
If lifting weights gives you jip then leave them alone for the time being until you have got your core strong enough to protect the back. If you are serious about really improving physically then i suggest you look back over the advice i gave you a while ago describing what i did to get my back into shape.
I think the sensible thing is to play it by ear and just prioritise your spear throwing and conditoning. I reckon if you take the rehab and conditiong stuff seriously you should be in the position to be doing all the stupid training that other javelin throwers love so much by New Year.
Having made the comeback from lumbar spine injury myself i have to say that it is possible to get into a position where your back is no longer a major concern in training. Although i am probably carrying about 5 or so kgs of muscle nowadays that is useless dead weight for the purposes of spear chucking except for the fact that its holding my lower back together!
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Post by slinger on Apr 19, 2007 20:30:44 GMT 1
yeah i agree wez, and it's what i think has been helping me alittle bit, since deciding to lose weight, i have been doing bits and pieces of core stuff and aim for every other day - it's not real intense, but it is regular........of course along with the massage and the losing weight all three of which i'm sure are contributing to my back getting much better recently.......i will speak to you about the core work though specifically some time soon though for some ideas etc RIGHT back to the throwing i did tonight............ ;D really funny session tonight, as it was my first on a track night, with loads of people who haven't seen me throw for years, as they just see me coaching now and they couldn't believe it - fantastic! good news is - i survived the session well, came out the other side of maybe hard 20 throws or so and feel well after it so i live to do battle another day..........."rrraaaaaaahhh!" ;D seriosuly though it was a great, great session and if i'm honest one of my top 3 or so ever with regards to it being progressive and actual top end distances, it went like this - a few flicks around the field and some easy throws in my trainers off a short carry and slow run up - 50m or so....... onto the serious stuff and off with the trackies - so lycra tights out and t shirt time, boots on. off 5 strides i had 6 i think and the best being 57, then took it back and was off a short slow carry [tbh they have only a slight bit more pace than i would off 5, but they feel do feel better rythem wise, hence they go much further] and my first one of those went 63 or so [if this happens it's session on!] i then have maybe 3 or 4 more slowly building the speed and actual length of the carry so i gradually increase the pace into the throw and then it's "game on" time. distances were always around 66 - 67, with one bad one maybe 64, but i knew that it wasn't quite there, it was slightly rushed and i was getting ahead of myself a tad and i knew if i got hold of one it'd jump to 70 or so, anyway i decided on my last one to "give it some" and i hit it pretty well and it went 69 - so tbh i'm happy as larry [who is larry btw? ;D] with how the session went, i'll go and have a little watch on the camera now and see what it looks like i do think that in the right place with the right people my PB is going to be in danger ;D ;D ;D you have no idea how much i am loving this right now!
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Post by wez on Apr 19, 2007 20:44:11 GMT 1
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Post by sam on Apr 19, 2007 22:07:09 GMT 1
i'm loving it because phill is loving it..
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Post by slinger on Apr 20, 2007 13:17:22 GMT 1
i'm loving it because i'm 78.6kg - don't worry, i'm not "wafer thin" i'm still probably around 10 or 11% body fat. thanks again guys for the support, it's mega!
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