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Post by 400mguy on Dec 19, 2005 12:05:19 GMT 1
So guys what are all the weights you lift,push,pull??
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Post by slinger on Dec 19, 2005 13:42:49 GMT 1
........oh man not the weights debate again!!! get your backside out in the freezing cold and chuck spears till your fingers are so numb you can't hold the javelin!!! that'll make you a better javelin thrower than lifting, pushing, pulling lumps of iron!!!!
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Post by eggbert000 on Dec 19, 2005 14:50:35 GMT 1
I agree with u there phill all i have been doing over the last 3 weeks is throw jav's and medi balls untill i'm blue in the face let alone fingers! only been doing 1 good gym session a week n trying throw as often as possible to work on technique which seems to be working! will do the medicine ball quad on tues night so will put results on here then!
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Post by slinger on Dec 19, 2005 17:53:39 GMT 1
.......ever wondered why youngsters improve so much??? it's because all they do is event oriented training - ball throws, sprints, jumps and of course javelin throws - it's not because they learn quicker than adults infact i'm sure adults will learn more quickly due to understanding more.........weight training will give elite athletes the edge but not athletes like ourselves who are throwing 40 - 60m.........doing weights all winter ahead of throwing won't increase your pb from 50m to 60m, but throwing and throwing specific training will. ......this medi ball quadrathlon seems good to me, just don't forget your javelin throwing and run up work - i know it's only christmas but you can never do too much run up work!!!!
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Post by Aaron C on Dec 20, 2005 0:34:35 GMT 1
O, i am throwin 55 at the minute m8, so does that mean that my weights session has no benefit to me at this stage of throwing???
I would like to think it does, i reckon it will have some bearing on my throw next year.
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Post by Mack on Dec 20, 2005 19:26:32 GMT 1
It's very rare I post at the moment, but here I need to say something.
National squads at the weekend. Throwing and a quad test. these are my test results.... ish.
30m - 4.27sec OHS - 13m50 ish 3 bounds - 7m50 1 bound - 2m70
Not too good......... very very poor infact.
but if you ask any one there, either days..... with the throwing, didn't measure, but went far.........
Now I have to stop the weights and work on my hurdles, bounds, med ball and agility.
I think the only reason I threw (possibly further than ever before) (and in the cold) is because I started to do agility work about two weeks ago and it was such a shock to the system, it made a huge difference.
So when training, work on the technique and 'athletic' aspect and let your weights wait.
Good to see and get to know the guys and girls at weekend.
Catch you later.
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Post by lasher2 on Dec 20, 2005 21:51:30 GMT 1
I have to agree with Neil here. You threw very well and the distances were certainly up there with Nick who seemed to be throwing the furthest on the day.
Its promising what you are doing and like I said to you at the weekend, you are certainly starting to use some of that physical ability that you have always had and there will be more to come. As I also said.....its also a shame that you didn't throw the way you are now in July or August as you may have had a trip to Melbourne to look forward to. However, hard work will pay off in the end and the best things come to those who wait.
You may find that your training throws dip slightly over the next month or two as you up the volume in your physical work, but this will be short term as you body adapts to the kind of work that you undoubtedly need to do to progresss towards 80m which i have no doubt you will throw in the next year or two.
Regarding the test quad. It is not something that tells you that you ARE going to throw far, it is merely an indicator of the things that you need to work on to make you more of an athlete. By the other stretch, you are obviously throwing very well right now, and the sort of training that you are planning will ensure that your test quad score goes up anyway. All this might tell you is that you are on, and ready to throw far. There might be a strong correlation between one of the aspects of the test quad and the distances that you throw.
I had a decent chat with Steve at the weekend and he said that he tried every physical test when he was at his peak, to see which one correlated the best with the better performances and he narrowed it down to hophopstepjump. That way he knew that when this was going well, there was a high probability that he was in great throwing shape and therefore that he would throw well.
This would not be the same for everyone, but there might be an exercise that any thrower will work on in the summer which might correlate with the distances that they throw. Certainly worth considering and worth finding out. In that way you can go into a competetion having done a pb in the physical test you have discovered correlates with your better throwing, with a massive amount of confidence in the way you are throwing as well as knowing you are at the peak of your condition.
For me, I believe this will be one of the bounding exercises I do as part of the jumps deacthlon, but as of yet I haven't worked this out.
I have been caning the plyometric work this year (as you may have noticed on sat avo after we threw) and this has had a major effect on me as an athlete. I spend a great deal less time in the gym now, and more time at the track. When I have tapered off my heavy training and I let my legs recover so I can compete in SA in feb I know that I will be ready.
I am also looking forward to some good domestic competetion this season. Competetion which I feel will be better than last season.
D
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Post by slinger on Dec 20, 2005 22:15:32 GMT 1
.......nice one neil! glad to see you are out of the gym and you are doing some 'proper' stuff!!!! i never spent any time in the gym, as i liked to throw too much, so imagine how far you'll throw!!!! - you're twice the size of me!!!!!!! follow parker on his route to 'athleticism' and you'll go well....but don't try to match his bounding distances as "oh man, this guy can jump!!!!" - who ever said white men can't jump!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
.........keep up the good work big guy!
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Post by sam on Dec 20, 2005 22:33:53 GMT 1
2kg Standing Throw = 14.20 (8 points) 3kg Standing Throw = 11.90 (8 points) 2kg 3 Step Throw = 16.10 (8 points) 3kg 3 step Throw = 13.60 (9 points)
Total Points 33
not too sure what to make of this... my only defence of any below par performance is that i have had physio on my shoulder tonight before doing these tests..
Jim you are a GOD ;D
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Post by sam on Jan 24, 2006 19:47:12 GMT 1
going to test these in the sub zero conditions tonight
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Post by sam on Jan 24, 2006 22:12:46 GMT 1
2kg Standing Throw = 15.00 (9 points) 3kg Standing Throw = 12.70 (9 points) 2kg 3 Step Throw = 16.10 (8 points) 3kg 3 step Throw = 13.40 (9 points)
Total Points 35
Temperature... -1
quite pleased with my standing throws but felt i could do better with my 3 step ones
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Post by 400mguy on Feb 15, 2006 14:15:59 GMT 1
Did a throw form 3 paces yesterday. It went an acceptable 32m without pushing for distance.
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Post by slinger on Feb 15, 2006 16:05:03 GMT 1
hey 400m guy, what is your actual javelin PB???
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Post by H on Feb 15, 2006 16:31:21 GMT 1
48.90!!!
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Post by slinger on Feb 15, 2006 17:46:34 GMT 1
do you know what, i was going to say "is it about 50m?" so i wasn't far off...... if anything 400m guy, it shows your technically you must be sound off a run up which is good stuff - keepn it up!
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