|
|
Post by nije on Mar 25, 2007 15:46:25 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by nije on Mar 27, 2007 13:07:37 GMT 1
Any comments? The video of the lad - notice the delay and range he gets brought on by the big wrap he gets off the impulse stride. It's not perfect by a long way but he's getting there. I'm trying to get him to lower his left slightly on impulseas it drops his throwing hand. He still is a little bit ahead of the throw as his stills show and on the bad one's his right foot turns to face 1 O'clock ish and when he turns it, he has top jump off it, hence the throwing off one foot.
Now that handsome young man in the green and black! Although taken from different throws, I'm am my own worst critic. My allignment is slightly off but my feet (lazy) do get me into a reasonably good position on right foot contact. I like my finishing position though - I think it looks aesthetically good and shows good range and extention and a tall positon to finish.
The diff from now and what I was is the speed, range and shapes between right foot contact and delivery.
Louby is a little to heavy on her right foot and is landing at 3 o'clock and lacks the athleticism to get off it so she sits on it putting alot of strain on her right knee which is injured again now. Her allignment of the jav also compounding this. If it was better alligned - it would put her into a better position i.e. not with such a dropped right hand and creating to much angle with her shoulders.
|
|
|
|
Post by slinger on Mar 27, 2007 15:38:32 GMT 1
i do love the lad's width on the floor, especially the left contact prior to impulse, spot on that, one of the very best 15's i've ever seen. Is he part finnish nije? perhaps for you nije to get the right to work quicker is to think about the actual way your foot lands regarding the centre of pressure? dave was talking to me about this for a while the other week - my feeling is the right doesn't want to land on the outside of the foot if that makes sense? - so the little toe side, it wants to land very much the flat of the ball orientated or maybe even slightly toward the big toe side. my feeling is that if you land on the outside of the right [little toe side] then it has to take time to rollover to the right and therefore the right sits there doing nothing for a split second, when it could have struck earlier, plus i feel as you want the momentum to carry on without hinderance this would help that even more so. maybe nije you just need to land more ball orientated and stay on the ball rather than letting it sink and go flat? this for me if someone can do it is a great skill to have as it really does allow for an early use of the right. Jan was by far the very best in the world at this skill for me. His thoughts on this were to just let the right foot flop over and the knee almost drop and think of the whole thing as being "soft" and not a voluntary drive of the right hip into the throw - the flopping of the right foot over to the instep and letting the knee drop is all you need to do to get the right hip in early. OR i could be talking kanckers! ;D just an idea........  |
|
|
|
Post by nije on Mar 27, 2007 16:12:33 GMT 1
I'm a bit old n the tooth now mate but thanks all the same. Yeah that's Matti and the girl in a first year U17 and just getting the hang of it - she's from my school and threw 35m at an U15 in our sports day but 29m at the ISA's. She'll throw near on 40 soom when she get's her legs sorted. She plays county cricket for Suffolk as well so she can throw a bit and bowl.
Matti is a talent and has got great rythm and he should throw a very long way this year.
|
|
|
|
Post by slinger on Mar 27, 2007 16:43:05 GMT 1
he'll break the UK record, i'd imagine.
- is he a big lad nije?
i ask if he's part finnish, beacuse they [finland] have very talented youngsters as well as seniors - 74m @ 14 years old is for me just incredible!
|
|
|
|
Post by nije on Mar 27, 2007 17:23:39 GMT 1
Yes, he just shot up recently. His mothe is Finnish but he is british. He is about 5'10 - 6'0 now and very athletic. His athleticism is a real bonus as is his arm and now his technique is coming together - I think he could throw really really far. I've seen him throw some pretty amazing distances now for his age. He's 13 until May. Age best is 53m and 14 age is 58, 14 age as an U17 is 64 by Dan Pembroke I believe. TBH - he's throwing pretty well at present with appollo javs and polanik ones which he bought but doesn't like... THey are top heavy and still go mid to late 50's. He throws Louise's javs flat and long but hasn't thrown them recently so he is trying to get hold of a decent jav, hence I'm looking out for one or two for him. He's entered for the jav fest although he's going to Lapland next week!!! so will be back in time and hopefully will be able to use Loubies javs and it'll be interesting to see what he does. Might enter him for the U17 as well. HE threw my champion pretty far the other day - I made him do a couple of throws as he was dropping his arm and with the 800g it scrapped the ground, so that learned him. He's better now that he was and is making nice progess. I think the season should be the making of him but he does get hung up on distance all the time in trainig when we are trying to drill in good technique - hence earlier posts (and last year's) of this mad fin who was a pain in the neck to coach as he was unable to take in what was siad. However he is getting the hang of it now as some of the pictures show - i.e. the before and after alhtough he sometimes resorts to his old technique
|
|
|
|
Post by slinger on Mar 27, 2007 17:35:26 GMT 1
that's youth for you nije - we were all like that "got to throw X m" but i can see him throwing 60m.
the UK age 13 best isn't 53m, it's 54.05m by our mike from last summer - but no doubt the lad will smash that!
our mike was very similar in the respect of reverting back to old technique or bad technique should i say - i have our mike throwing on vid in a session the week before the AAA's last year and had 15 over 50 with 3 57's and 1 58, one throw being technically brilliant, yet come the weekend he looked like a different athlete throwing only 50m, but you could see the tension in him, his shoulders up near his ears.
and when they do this, what can you do? you've taught them the best you can and really to me at the end of the day you can't throw it for them and they'll have to learn, which they will and look back and smile.
BUT, that's learning for you and what we've all done - tbh it me a rye smile when i see kids get so wound up that they tie themselves in knots on the run up, as it reminds me of myself at their age............they'll learn!
|
|
|
|
Post by nije on Mar 27, 2007 17:35:30 GMT 1
Also, the prob wiht my throwign is that I wasn't throwing very hard so I tend to dwell on my right foot, not that it is a heavy movement, just a little slow, but the point about landing on the ball of the foot is not something i'd considered but is a very good point - thanks for that. When I was throwing well, I used to be pretty good off short approach, but when I competed I tended to ge t the red most and my technique fall apart somewhat, a bit like Mick when you compare his full runs to his shorter aproach stuff.
This part of the art of throwing though. O always felt I wasn;t heavy enough on my left block as I carried to much speed and dropped and rotated too much off full runs when I threw badly.
|
|
|
|
Post by nije on Mar 27, 2007 17:41:36 GMT 1
Funny you say that baout Mike - but Tyson Johnson was thrwoing late 60's and early 70's around this time of year when he was 16 then hurt his adductor and lost the plot a bit. He went to the first national league match and threw 50m after throwign mid 60's in training all the time. Just inexplicable. He's still talented but lost his way somewhat, so hopefully he'll be back. Last time I was in brum I called him but wasn't interested in throwing at the time (students!) but maybe it was me!
Re Matti -I think I mentioned he did a one off 60m throw in training a while back - well he has improved considerably since then and coming on well. However, in comp with the line in front of him, will be the test. He's passed most things I've set him so far and we spend alot of time on his run up at the end of a session and he seems comfortable so hopefully he can conc on just pulling the paint off the thing when he throws now!
|
|
|
|
Post by slinger on Mar 27, 2007 20:43:48 GMT 1
This part of the art of throwing though. and throwing the javelin certainly is an art, there's a great deal of finesse in this game amongst big shouting and swearing! maybe some people forget about this, maybe some people should remind themselves of it! i see lots of big burly blokes in the sport in this country and just lump the javelin out, but very few who get the most out of themselves. |
|
|
|
Post by nije on Mar 27, 2007 21:02:36 GMT 1
Amen!
OR as blazing saddles went
Reverent!!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by jiunlin on Mar 28, 2007 7:50:35 GMT 1
you guys are much more talented for sure! as well with such sensible and knowledgable seniors around! The young talents in UK is sure got to soar high some day when they grow! Its truely a big shame that in singapore, the coaches believe so much in their own coaching method and theory which made them so narrow minded and not open to other ideas! Thats total crap!
|
|
|
|
Post by wez on Mar 29, 2007 9:34:19 GMT 1
Sorry i'm a bit late with this but, You are obviously doing the right things with them Nije but one thing springs to mind still.... why are you all throwing from over the line? Its fine in training to not worry about the line so you can concentrate on the technique but when it comes to comp time you do have to worry about it and the final strides can get cramped up and you lose your attack and separation and throw well below par. Just a thought, but i would move their marks back a couple of meters- yours too!  Jiunlin- don't worry about it you have this site for whenever you need help, just video your throwing |
|
|
|
Post by nije on Mar 29, 2007 18:15:29 GMT 1
Hey Wez,
Point taken, however, they have their won run ups and it isn't an issue (at the moment). TBH, I always threw over the line in training as did most of the other top throwers and it wasn't an issue for them either. I have loads of video of me Steve, Mick, Colin, Mark, Nick etc etc and we all tended to throw up to the tarten. Although I had one infamous foot foul - the line wasn't really a problem generally speaking as my run up was usually quite consistent.
I suppose the real point is that I always had a run up that I measured out before throwing and would generally hit it every time - that's why we do run ups at the end of every session.
Saying that now - they'll foul the line for the rest of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by wez on Mar 30, 2007 8:45:47 GMT 1
hopefully not eh!
|
|
