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Post by slinger on Nov 23, 2005 17:33:38 GMT 1
to help your karma chris i've put you up one notch! "say thank you!"
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Post by H on Nov 23, 2005 17:36:29 GMT 1
cheers phil!!! i smited you in return ha ha
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Post by slinger on Nov 23, 2005 17:38:39 GMT 1
well gee thanks! i don't think you've got the grasp of this exalting/smiting buisness! if i smite you you smite me, if i exalt you you exalt me!!!!!!!!!
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Post by H on Nov 23, 2005 17:41:09 GMT 1
soz mate!! i'll buy you a beer to make up for it!!!
congrats to kara on getting on development!!
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Post by slinger on Nov 23, 2005 17:53:34 GMT 1
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Post by H on Nov 23, 2005 18:01:29 GMT 1
Dunno, the way i see it it's based a lot down to improvement margins!! And although dav has got back up there in terms of making melbourne. UKA will look at it and see that that he still has'nt improved hi PB and therfore is not making enough headway in thier eyes!!
Where as if Dav was on developement it would benefit him in no uncertain teerms and honestly has to be the only real guy in the next few yrs to be looking at the major champs for Uk jav!! Also the fact that kelly morgan has been binned is F***in disgusting!!! I know she was injured and she is;nt fit yet due to trying to get fit for her Army PTI's cse( which she failed first time) ha ha!! kelly if you read this only kidding but the fact remains that she is an amazing talent and Goldie should watch out when she come back as she will and should throw further if fit!! take last yrs 58 and bits off no trg and injured!! There is no real pattern to UKa's criteria and they seem to just pick and choose! One of my best mat's did a performance standard last yr and was UK NO1 and still did'nt get squat!! You tell me mate!!! UKA sucks and always has!!! we are never gonna be a nation to be reckoned with at this rate
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Post by slinger on Nov 23, 2005 20:14:54 GMT 1
let's just say chris doesn't mince his words and beat about the bush!!!! i like honesty!!!!!!
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Post by smiler on Nov 23, 2005 23:51:40 GMT 1
Evening all , i am currently trying to lose a few pounds so so am doing the following Monday 20 mins jogging on the treadmill and 40 on the bike.
Tuesday 10 mins zelezny drills , 10 mins hurdle drills and 10 mins bounding.
Wednesday sprints 100-150-200-150-100
Friday 20 mins treadmill and 40 on the bike.
Sunday sprints 100-150-200-150-100.
Due to shin and back problems i have never been able to jog or sprint this much in the past but touch wood after a load of core exercises hopefully i shall be able to continue this.
chris
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Post by JB on Nov 28, 2005 11:59:18 GMT 1
if any of you remember my training sched from last winter you'll be suprised by what follows... welcome to the bryson boot camp !
monday: AM: 3 mile run, core strenght excersizes, flex / stetch work, grip ex's. PM weightlifting
tuesday: AM: Shin splint excersizes, core strenght excersizes, 30 min swim, specialized dumbell work for nerve and rotator protection. PM: Track session - med balls, sprints, drills, small number of throws
wednesday: AM: 3 mile run, stretch / flex session, core strenght ex, grip ex's PM: weightlifting
thursday: AM: shin splint ex, 30 min swim, core strenght ex, specialized dumbell work. PM: Track session - hurdle work, jumps/bounds, drills, shot throws
friday: AM: grip ex, core strenght ex, 3 mile run, stretch / flex session PM: weightlifting, 3k bike, 2k row, 1k run
saturday: day off just stretch and rest
sunday: track session (if sober enough.... sorry mike!) - sprints, med ball, throws, drills. core strenght session, gambetta ex, specialized dumbells
it makes me tired just writing it !
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Post by slinger on Nov 28, 2005 14:09:31 GMT 1
........................................................................................................sounds you are a full time athlete!!!!!!! i really don't mean to intrude or stir any problems but maybe if you have all that available time to train then perhaps a wee bit more javelin throwing??? i know you do 3 track sessions and lot's of really good stuff - hurdle drills, gambetta drills, zelezny drills etc - all things i would always recommend, but for a seasoned athlete, david parker maybe.......his sessions will be similar to that, but what i'm trying to say and again i'm not really not trying to cause problems is that this is or was your second year of javelin and with a pb of 45m i presume technically you aren't, lets say brilliant, because i know you are a big lad and 45m should be a doddle for you!
my idea would be for someone who is new or fairly new to the sport is to spend as much time as possible throwing javelins, this alone with no other training at all will bring about improvements and linked with good coaching you will come on in great leaps and bounds!! i fully understand that you are in conditioning and that no doubt you will throw more come later in your programme, i also understand that you need to be strong enough specifically to get in to the correct positions with the javelin, but i'm sure you already are strong enough to throw quite along way...................................please don't take this post as criticism or the wrong way but it's just what i was thinking!!!!
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Post by JB on Nov 28, 2005 16:18:08 GMT 1
hi slinger, i know what you mean. i usually throw more than this with at least an hour on a tue, thur & sun. we found last year that any more than that and my arm started to have problems. a lot of the ex such as the dumbell work is to keep away injuries and increase stability. ideally i would throw more but cant. remember tho when im not throwing im drilling. and at the moment the most important for me is to get in good shape and develope some core strenght and plyometrics. in javelin you can never been in too gooda shape and have too much core strenght
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Post by JB on Nov 28, 2005 16:19:47 GMT 1
missed out a bit.. the reason im throwing less at the mo is just cos its winter, will pick up the tech work again when its warmer. as well as the med balls i do a lot of throwing with a knokenball as it helps sort out my crappy technique
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Post by slinger on Nov 28, 2005 17:18:12 GMT 1
no probs JB, just glad you didn't take it the wrong way!!! you're right about the strength issue, although i must say you don't need to be that strong to throw 60m.........issue for debate that one, i think!!! also my point was that IN MY OPINION for novice throwers throwing is all you need to do.........
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Post by JB on Nov 28, 2005 18:28:19 GMT 1
no worries mate, i appreciate all feedback. although i kind of see what you mean i cant agree. a novice thrower will benefit most from just throwing but it cant be just throwing alone if that person is out of shape. when i started i was 21st and all arm. as soon as i used a run up i collapsed badly over the block leg as my leg strength and core strenght could not hold me up.
i also found that i suffered badly from lots of injuires like blisters, shin splints, achilles probs, elbow probs, shoulder probs, back probs and bicep probs. basically my body was not in a fit state to train properly or sustain lots of throwing. since then i worked on general fitness and have shed over 6st and run a marathon (albeit slowly!) and touch wood... this winter i can train harder than ever before, not using any supplements and im getting stronger.
the tech work will come in time as im doing the drills and i have an excellent coach
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Post by slinger on Nov 28, 2005 19:06:46 GMT 1
21 stone..........wow! and you've lost 6 stone - must congratulate you on that, yes you do have a good coach who is very knowledgable and experienced so you do have everything going for you.........i guess you're right about the lack of strength you must of previously had - 'javelin strength' i should of said. when i think of novice throwers, by this i mean people/athletes who have only been participating for less than five years, i tend to think of young athletes - 11 to 20 years old and all the training they need is with the javelin, on the run - up..... if they want to improve, from first picking up a javelin after showing reasonable talent it probably takes 3 to 4 years of regular throwing to develop good consistent useable javelin throwing technique, when i first started it took me 12 months to develop a consistent run up with average to decent technique and then a further 3 years to take it to being very good......this will be probably very similar for most youngsters with talent....... but, for older athletes i guess it's different and because i've never really trained with anyone who has taken up the sport later on in life, so i can't really comment, what i will say JB is that it's obvious from reading your posts that you are obviously very determined to improve and succeed, also there will be alot of athletes out there that will of seen the amount of training you are doing and can only wish they could do that!!!! make the most of it!!!!! also i must make the point that everyone who takes up javelin throwing later on in life........."what the hell are you doing?? do you not realise that you will end up a cripple!!! - DON'T DO IT!!!"
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