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Post by slinger on Oct 30, 2009 17:54:18 GMT 1
hehe a little bit of stirring! ;D Why not? Another great candidate. Hasn't he got a very good job in his home town at the Uni which probably pays very similar to what Jav lead is offering, if not more? As far as other jav guys go - I can't see Backley wanting it either - earns alot of money with his public speaking and I doubt he'd want to move to lboro either. Rumps would be another great candidate and imo probably fave. I'd still like to see Trower get it actually, but can't see it happening. Mike would be very popular choice and it would be great to see him going for it and I hear he's doing a bit more jav recently, so you never know! I understand people want someone who will bring new ideas and a shake up and think a new foreign coach could do that, but I think we have some talented guys and gals who are super keen and do have great ideas and skills....I see Dobbing, Dave Parker and a few others in this group actually - knowledgable, super keen and motivated. Infact I think lasher fills all the criteria asked. Interesting to see that there will be 4 2 day squads over the winter - old school!
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Post by jeremy on Oct 30, 2009 17:59:33 GMT 1
hehe a little bit of stirring! ;D Why not? Another great candidate. Hasn't he got a very good job in his home town at the Uni which probably pays very similar to what Jav lead is offering, if not more? As far as other jav guys go - I can't see Backley wanting it either - earns alot of money with his public speaking and I doubt he'd want to move to lboro either. Rumps would be another great candidate and imo probably fave. I'd still like to see Trower get it actually, but can't see it happening. Mike would be very popular choice and it would be great to see him going for it and I hear he's doing a bit more jav recently, so you never know! I understand people want someone who will bring new ideas and a shake up and think a new foreign coach could do that, but I think we have some talented guys and gals who are super keen and do have great ideas and skills....I see Dobbing, Dave Parker and a few others in this group actually - knowledgable, super keen and motivated. Infact I think lasher fills all the criteria asked. Interesting to see that there will be 4 2 day squads over the winter - old school! Totally agree with all of that. Any more info on the "4 x 2 day squads"?
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Post by slinger on Oct 30, 2009 18:29:54 GMT 1
No idea jezza, just says it in the link provided for the job. If it's athlete and coaches involved then it could be very akin to the old school days.
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Post by jeremy on Oct 30, 2009 18:40:58 GMT 1
Cheers Slinger,
I hear a lot of things about the "old school days", most of it very positive.
My experience of the recent, and for want of a better phrase, the "new school days" has been less than enthusiastic.
It has seemed that very few athletes turn up (Why not?) and most of the "coaches" seem muted, too scared to say much for fear of treading on anyone's toes, or worse still getting shouted down. Surely the point of these sessions is to get some direction in where this event is going, and some collective responsibility and commitment.
So in essence that needs:
1. This is how we coach the javelin. 2. These are some good drills to build the skills. 3. These are some top tips on doing the right training at the right right time (and the right resting!) 4. These are some top tips on how to compete at optimal level. and.... 5. Let's have some guest speakers (and we have plenty in the UK) to tell their story on how they won Gold. 6. Some guest speakers (from the world of commerce)who have proven how to get the best possible communication/motivational skills out of their employees/businesses etc
Then we'd have a template that we could all adopt (yes adopt before we adapt, becuase yes everyone is different).
Now that would be good.
Oh yes, perhaps most importantly of all, let's have some fun while we do it!
Jeremy
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Post by districtus on Oct 31, 2009 10:13:29 GMT 1
I don't know....more spineless comments, by yet another person who has no idea at all about anything! I am in Glasgow for 3 days trying to further my knowledge, I suggest "stirring" or whatever you wish to call it is why this site is quickly becoming a joke and detracting from what it should be doing! Rather than spend time creating a name to hide behind, I suggest you get off your arse and go and learn something, including how to write!
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Post by nije on Oct 31, 2009 13:04:03 GMT 1
Just to play devils advocate for a moment!
Bob Weir lasted 8 months and others have lasted less. The Eng and UKA jobs are not that secure it would appear. I would hate to give up something that I love doing, then do something like the nat coach job - only to be in bob weirs situation a year later. These are not secure jobs!
My personal opinion is that many coaches and athletes will not work with some of the names put forward -i.e. ones with no or little coaching experience if they were appointed, esp when yo cuold have had JT adn you get ................
The national squads - for the many of you who were not there at the time - used to work only for javelin btw because we had more talented throwers and in depth than we have now, But they have been gradually getting better in the men's recently. The shot disc and hammer were hopeless in comparison doing exactly the same as us!
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Post by dobster on Oct 31, 2009 19:22:53 GMT 1
I don't know....more spineless comments, by yet another person who has no idea at all about anything! I am in Glasgow for 3 days trying to further my knowledge, I suggest "stirring" or whatever you wish to call it is why this site is quickly becoming a joke and detracting from what it should be doing! Rather than spend time creating a name to hide behind, I suggest you get off your arse and go and learn something, including how to write! To be honest Chris I know what you mean - the site needs some individuals with real gravitas - I personally feel that if Mick, Mike Mc, Tim N, Shelley H and Dave P, (and no doubt countless others who are respected in the event), could find the time to actively contribute this would turn into a great and worthwhile site. This site has everything it needs to make it into a very useful resource for javelin throwing. I seem to remember that the US site went through similar problems but Jeff Gorski managed to persuade some of their top names to actively contribute - it now becomes quite self moderating and reasonably respectful with some useful bits of information. Bottom line - it needs contribution, not detachment and respect.
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Post by pj on Oct 31, 2009 20:18:12 GMT 1
Hi Tom,
I imagine your comments refer to the 'open forum/general chat'.
'Twas ever thus on this type of exchange.
However much of what goes on, on other pages is very good. If needs must we can avoid the 'cat and throst' of the chat-chit.
I don't however recall Steve posting on here. Mick did but only to have a go at me for my incredulity at David not being allowed to guest in a Championship last year. I don't know if Rumps posts. Shelley and Mike McNeill have. David no longer posts but I believe looks in. Hopefully Tim will look in.
I really would love to raise the profile of Javelin higher than it currently is.....but we all have a responsibility for that, and I mean ALL. UKA, England Sport and Athletics and the other Home Countries and their Sport funding bodies.
As I have said in many postings while ever we withdraw, pull back or eliminate parts of our sport we will eventually kill that part off. The more parts that we kill off, like any growing organism, eventually the whole will die. Only the seeds will survive, if indeed there are any, and that is a long process towards rejuvenation or renewal.
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Post by slinger on Nov 1, 2009 21:33:59 GMT 1
I still think pj that there are other members that could maybe contribute to advice asked rather than it be the usual few that do post - Wez, James Evs are often the ones to offer help, personally I have offered advice loads of times on the open forum or by PM's - probably "baffled them with science" mind, but still I intend well! ;D
Whereas there are some very experienced members on here and they rarely offer any if any at all, yet still find the time to post about how bad our sport is right now or of bygone days [which we all do actually lol] but I'm sure you know what I'm on about.
Personally I have no idea about "politics" in Athletics - I couldn't tell you whose job is what and barely know any of the names mentioned by members in some posts - ignorance - probably, but tbh it doesn't interest me but what does is people enjoying and progressing in the event. I think if people were to focus more on that, rather than whose who we'd be better off.
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Post by wez on Nov 2, 2009 7:08:27 GMT 1
You've hit the nail on the head there Phil! Its so much easier to complain about how bad the jav situation is rather then just get your head down and try to do something about it! Whinging about things gets you absolutely nowhere, its a very basic fact of life! When a person spends their energy complaining about how difficult things are, all they are really doing is justifying reasons for their own failure and thereby feeling ok about failing and then going right ahead and doing just that....its human psychology people.....its never too late to give yourself a bit of a talking to! Ever wondered why success breeds success and failure breeds failure? Its all about positive mental attitude....... The reason you find me and Jim offering advice on here, is just like Slinger says, not because we are the best or most experienced, No! its because we give a shit! (and also we have access to a computer at work )
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Post by nije on Nov 2, 2009 8:56:23 GMT 1
Before some of you get into a self righteous, look what we do for the sport, a few of us - who i am sure you are accusing of talking down the event and refer back to the old days - the truth hurts eh - i wonder exactly what it is many do on this site do to progress the sport. People like me and last year sam were busy organising regional squads in my case for all the throws as well as doing development squads here in Wales where we have several athletes ranked in the u15 and u17 as a result. (and was the jav lead for national squads) Sam has ofered his services at lee valley as well this year if anyone wants to join in.
Some of you may have noticed that i have organised a throws day on november 14th/15th for coaches and athletes with invited coaches to present some info and then coach and mentor. Tim newenham bob weir Malcolm fenton as well as John degata our new welsh national coach will be there so i think it could be an interesting day. This is one of several I have organised over the years and no in this case I am not paid to do it but do such things as well as organise throws events for all throws recently along with other events i have organised for throwers over the years.
There are a few of us who have been proactive for years - note - only a few and apaart from expenses if invited, there is no payent for my services for organsing these events, in fact some tims some make i very difficult for some reason.
These are easy to organise so maybe one or two others could be a little more proactive and maybe even recognise that some are actually doing it rather than moaning about it!
SO why not use the site to be a little proactive?!
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Post by slinger on Nov 2, 2009 10:25:11 GMT 1
Nije, I never said anything about what people do or lack of on a day to day basis to do with Javelin throwing. It was soley to do with questions asked on this forum with regards helping guys and gals out. PJ has stated that this forum has some very experienced members and the site could be a very useful tool, especially having them on board, yet they rarely post in the questions asked. Is it because the likes of James, Wez and myself know all the answers? it would be nice if we did but absolutely not and I'm sure Wez would agree that'd it be good to get others involved at times in such debates as it's education and learning for me and him aswell.
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Post by wez on Nov 2, 2009 13:20:38 GMT 1
Nije, i know you contribute to the sport in your time and probably some of the others do also and that is exactly the sort of commitment we need and rely on as a country.
To be fair even though you do have your gripes, you are quite upbeat alot of the time on here from what i see. So no offence big man, you bring more good than bad.
However i really don't understand why some people waste so much of their energy complaining about things online(which is what we see). Negativity feeds negativity and if two people who are down about a subject discuss it together, it ends up seeming worse than it really is. Plus anyone who logs in gets to read that dross, if you click on your name and search your past conversation threads you can get and idea of the sort of tone that the others see.
I just think if someone is writing a post and the motivation for doing so is to complain about something or vent frustration then they should just not bother clicking 'post reply'
ironic really when you think about this reply......delete delete......hopefully this is my last such post.....
Er my take home message, we have a finite quantity of time and energy so why not use it in a positive manner.
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Post by wez on Nov 2, 2009 13:34:36 GMT 1
Of course i just realised that the whole things a moot point anyway given that we have no longer have any athletes left posting on here regularly that want help or advice.
A change of format is really needed for the javclub i believe----James any comment?
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Post by nije on Nov 2, 2009 15:58:09 GMT 1
I am always up beat about the event Wez - I am and never have been the one who called the likes of Nick Neiland and Goldie chokers as at least one poster i can think of. I seem to recall being abuse by one person and a relative when a simple thread of shout or not to shout and another time when I supported JT when he was made redundant and I got a disgracceful and cowardly attack from a or some posters unknown. That is why people don't really like to express their opinion on this or other sites.
I have been told to not post ono such sites, not that anything i have written is particilarly controversial - if anything I am more on message although not trying to be - I just want the best for the events and that we work with each othe and tru to my word I have mangaed to secure the new javelin adn hammer mentor to attend a throws get together for the south/swest and wales and anyone else interested in attending.
I just like getting thnings done and getting together with like minded poeple. This forum - apart from one or two now and then, is usually quite positve and if you want gripes about anything and everything, I think we all know which site to visit.
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