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Post by bradstock on Sept 16, 2009 3:43:31 GMT 1
For my latest video I decided to compare a 63m standing throw I did several weeks ago to a 75m standing throw I did in 1985. There are several things I do now that are better, I believe, then I did back then. Can you spot what they are? World Longest Standing Throws: Then & Nowwww.youtube.com/watch?v=o9iqdyAGkhgFYI: The original 1985 video footage of my 75m standing throw was posted on YouTube just over 20 months ago. It has now become the most watched "World Javelin Record" on the internet, albeit a question and very unofficial. This is the original video which should surpass 400,000 hits by the end of this month!!! Worlds Longest Standing Throw Ever?www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9pt5hzOYmc&feature=channel_page
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Post by ivanpeacock on Sept 16, 2009 9:39:58 GMT 1
Fantastic throwing, fantastic videos.
To my novice eye, I would say the main difference now is the extra rotation you generate at the start of the throw, which seems to be one of the key ingredients in your throwing.
Another thing I notice is that your levers seem to be even longer now, which is really impressive seeing as it's 24 years later.
Something else I think I notice (and I might be wrong and it might not matter anyway) is that your right foot seems to stay in contact with the ground for longer after release now.
Thanks for sharing these videos.
Ivan
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Post by carrie on Sept 16, 2009 11:20:12 GMT 1
Hi Roald, you probably won't remember me but I joined Dave Cobb's group when Keith Beard dragged me up to Crystal Palace one Sunday and I saw you throwing so many times in training before you went to college in the States. All I can say is what a good job Dave did with coaching the basics as I have always found my standing throws were a strong part too. I got out to doing almost 40m standing myself. Not bad for a wee girlie! As for longevity, I am still throwing now at age 46 while Keith only stopped a couple of years ago. We have both competed well at Masters level. So I reckon Dave must done something right there too! I think I have spotted a couple of things Your left foot goes out to the side more now whilst the range of movement in the torso twist is shorter but that has to be age! I used to be able to sit on the floor with my legs wide, lean forwards and pick stuff up off the ground with my teeth. That was only 5 years ago! Now, I wince to think about it! I have just read the CRAP that was posted on You Tube - you must have thick skin! I didn't realise there were so many negative, uninformed idiots ready to stick it to you. Carrie
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Post by pj on Sept 16, 2009 17:23:21 GMT 1
Hi Roald,
Was your 1985 standing throw of 75.00 m with the OS or NS?
My son David has a pb standing of 67 m. He used to rotate a lot but not, I hasten to add, as much as you. Phil
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Post by dobster on Sept 16, 2009 18:34:40 GMT 1
Must confess the throws would be even better if they weren't no throws - behind the scratch line Mr Bradstock, behind the scratch line Looking forward to your comp on 26 Sep - stay in shape old fella!!
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Post by bradstock on Sept 16, 2009 18:53:01 GMT 1
Must confess the throws would be even better if they weren't no throws - behind the scratch line Mr Bradstock, behind the scratch line Looking forward to your comp on 26 Sep - stay in shape old fella!! I measured from the end of the run up not the white line - just FYI ;D
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Post by bradstock on Sept 16, 2009 18:54:13 GMT 1
Hi Roald, Was your 1985 standing throw of 75.00 m with the OS or NS? My son David has a pb standing of 67 m. He used to rotate a lot but not, I hasten to add, as much as you. Phil It was with the Custum III
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Post by bradstock on Sept 16, 2009 18:59:54 GMT 1
Fantastic throwing, fantastic videos. To my novice eye, I would say the main difference now is the extra rotation you generate at the start of the throw, which seems to be one of the key ingredients in your throwing. Another thing I notice is that your levers seem to be even longer now, which is really impressive seeing as it's 24 years later. Something else I think I notice (and I might be wrong and it might not matter anyway) is that your right foot seems to stay in contact with the ground for longer after release now. Thanks for sharing these videos. Ivan Rotation is indeed why I can still throw and throw well. My arms do seem to be getting longer - my knuckles are permantely grazed... One thing to look at the recent video: watch my left foot - it hovers above the ground as I start throwing and then I jam it into the ground...the result is a controlled, calculated whip lash effect
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Post by slinger on Sept 16, 2009 19:08:08 GMT 1
Phil, 67m with a new spec 8 shows world class specific power and throwing talent - top guys in the world throw similar to that. I saw Tero larruping [as he does EVERYTHING] stands in Potch mid 60's, low 70ish off 3, mid to late 70's off 5 and about 83 or so off something which resembled a full approach.
Beats my very, very best of 44/45 off a stand [usually it's about 41 or 42] 60 and bits measured off 5 [was with jimbo and hilly that day] and 71.79 off a run up. My best differential between stands and a full run up was pretty much 30m, as when I threw my PB my best stand was about 41/42m. I like to think this shows how much I "used" my run up. If David had that....or rather I had his specific power we'd be Olympic gold medalists!!! ;D
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Post by sam on Sept 17, 2009 10:38:55 GMT 1
i've spoken about it before but can anyone spot a problem with my throwing (just the one please)
Standing throw best.. 48m.. full run up best... 54.93m
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Post by Luke on Sept 17, 2009 16:46:21 GMT 1
yes sam the problem is that you do your run then stop dead then do a standing throw at the end , so waste of time doing a run up then , you need to get fitter , lee
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Post by sam on Sept 17, 2009 18:08:11 GMT 1
let's see if throwing with roald can fix the stopping problem, fitness wise i'm already on to it(again)
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Post by nije on Sept 18, 2009 10:38:02 GMT 1
Im not sure we should get too wrapped up in the standing throw thing as it is't a particularly good guide when you get throwers of a similar distance. The thrower with the biggest stand throw is no guide to who will throw the furthest. SOme people like most of the current top throwers are athletic types where they use speed on the run ups and transfer it into the spear - something steve did better that the rest of us. There was also the seppo types and most of the old style us thrower who ambled up and then wacked it with a big baseball arm. Seppo was supposed to be 70-75m stand thrower and many of the fins threw big stands according to Tero's coach but watching their olympic trials a few years ago me and matti watch it from behind and from the front and these guys were hitting the thing really hard but all over the place. THe winning throw was 85m and he topped it! Everyone looked like they were about to throw 90m!
On a personal note I only threw about 50-low 50's standing and 68-70 of 3 strides (as I required rythm and momentum to generat power) 75ish of 5 and in training and warm ups threw up to 85 on a good day. However, I used to throw over 80 warming up quite often and then throw crap in the comp due to being uncomfortable with my run up. In 1994 I threw 82m warming up for the welsh champs threw 68m in the comp to win it on the last throw and went to the commonwealth games with a seasons best of 72m! I threw all my throws further than that on the day and threw an 85m warm up and threw crappy in the comp bt threw 80.38m after throwing an 83/84m foot foul in the 4th round. I had no coach at the time and my technique was crap but I was in good shape and just let my speed and the occasion take over. I'm just reminiscing now! But the point is standing throws are like over head shot and test quad score, they are useful to know for your self to see if you are improving but when compared to others mean nothing.
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Post by sam on Sept 18, 2009 13:28:40 GMT 1
Hi Roald, you probably won't remember me but I joined Dave Cobb's group when Keith Beard dragged me up to Crystal Palace one Sunday and I saw you throwing so many times in training before you went to college in the States. All I can say is what a good job Dave did with coaching the basics as I have always found my standing throws were a strong part too. I got out to doing almost 40m standing myself. Not bad for a wee girlie! As for longevity, I am still throwing now at age 46 while Keith only stopped a couple of years ago. We have both competed well at Masters level. So I reckon Dave must done something right there too! I think I have spotted a couple of things Your left foot goes out to the side more now whilst the range of movement in the torso twist is shorter but that has to be age! I used to be able to sit on the floor with my legs wide, lean forwards and pick stuff up off the ground with my teeth. That was only 5 years ago! Now, I wince to think about it! I have just read the CRAP that was posted on You Tube - you must have thick skin! I didn't realise there were so many negative, uninformed idiots ready to stick it to you. Carrie actually that is not true about keith beard.... he threw most recently on the 13th at the ARENA Games... 59.70m!!! has a SB of 60.00m www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=28657page=6E674E6FC662DA27&id=CC62DC6AD26AC46D
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Post by carrie on Sept 18, 2009 14:50:51 GMT 1
Last time I saw Keith, he was struggling with injury and then he didn't compete in 2008. I honestly thought he was packing it in at long last. Hopefully we'll meet up again somewhere in Europe then if he's still going next year! Hungary for the Euro Masters?
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