9.58 or 98.48 ?

[pj]

I was watching TV last night sometime after 'the Bolt' bolted and a comparison was being drawn, I think by Hazel Irvine, with performances in other events. I think the 200m and 400m were mentioned. The Hungarian Tables for Multi Events were being used for the points comparisons.

I have the Decathlon/Octathlon tables somewhere from way back, (so they are probably out of date ), and I naturally wondered how many points Jan Zelezny's World Record in the Javelin registers and how well it compares with Usain's 9.58?

Anybody got any idea?

[slinger]

Interesting one, I have seen the tables Phil - I'm sure they'll be in the net somewhere.

I think they are fairly comparable in my mind at least in that they are both way ahead of anything ever seen or done before ie .58 to .71 and 98 to 93 - in that sense maybe the 98 is better. They are also comparable in that they both broke the WR's by large margins time and time again - JZ breaking it from 91m to 95m and 95m to 98m. Bolt going from 9.76 - 9.69 secs and 9.69 - 9.58 secs.

I imagine that the Javelin is a far more technical event than the 100, so consistency of performance is going to tend to be more in favour of the sprinter rather than the thrower, so I can see Bolt going closer to his WR more often than JZ to his - but maybe that's just because the Jav record is more extreme?

I do think Bolt could of run something like that .58 at Beijing if he didn't start celebrating early doors - it'll be very interesting and exciting to see him in Berlin going for the 2 and seeing if he can get close to the 19.30, as he was going for that in Beijing all the way - that'll be a better indication to see if he has improved from last year rather than the 100 IMO.

However it seems Bolt is capable of more than he shows on a regular basis ie the Grand Prix's and Golden League's and it's as if he saves his special and fastest runs for the Majors. He probably will go 9.4 sometime in perfect conditions and that then would blow JZ's 98.49 away well and truly....maybe an 18.9 200, followed by a 42. 400m "jog" wouldn't that be something? ;D

The tables though would be good if someone has them!

[pj]

Hi Phill,

Thanks for the tip-off. Bearing in mind that Javelin is always seen as a low scoring event in Decathlon.....you will be surprised to find out that 100 metres in 9.58 scores 1202 points, but 98.48 in the Javelin scores 1331 points !!!!

[pj]

Interestingly, the Discus record scores most points followed by the Javelin then the Shot.

Perhaps more all-round throwers should take up the Decathlon. This is precisely why the points system is weighted like it is so as not to penalise the 'throw' specialist Decathlete.

[H]

Aug 17, 2009 23:53:08 GMT 1 pj said:

Hi Phill,

Thanks for the tip-off. Bearing in mind that Javelin is always seen as a low scoring event in Decathlon.....you will be surprised to find out that 100 metres in 9.58 scores 1202 points, but 98.48 in the Javelin scores 1331 points !!!!

I think what they said was thats the 100 WR is now a better WR than the Javelin!! And it is!!!!!!!! ;D
98.48 is 1334 which equates to a 9.67 100 and the 100 is 1364-1367 (has a a range for some reason). So it seems he did blow JZ away!!! BTW JZ's record is also the equiv of a 42.57 400m!!!!

The Hungarian tables are different to that of the IAAF multi-event tables, i thought you guys would have known that seeing how knowledgeable you both are ;D ;D

that concludes todays statto lesson!!!! ;D

[slinger]

We know they are two totally different scoring systems H. Phil doesn't have the hungarian one to hand - as said in OP, but used the Dec tables as merely a comparative.

They are both outstanding marks obviously, I do think that both athletes have/had scope to go further faster - something that Bolt will no doubt do.

[pj]

The Hungarian tables were the ones mentioned and quoted from by Hazel Irvine. I googled the Decathlon tables (Multi events ) and the points awarded was what I quoted yesterday. Try Wikipedia and see what you come up with.

'They' did not say that the 100m WR was better than the Javelin. 'They' gave comparisons with the 200 and 400. I think the equivalent performances would have to be 18.9 and 42. something.

I brought up the Javelin comparison on this thread !!!

[pembrokian]

There is a set of outdoor scoring tables covering all events (including road racing and such like) available via www.iaaf.org to download as a pdf file. These are far more consistant across the piece than decathlon tables.