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Post by ej1elliot on Jul 20, 2009 20:23:39 GMT 1
I lived in the countryside with a 5 acre garden that was always ideal for practise.... I think I've done myself harm by throwing obsessively from the age of about 4 - 9 and training myself a "bad tehnique" I've not improved in years (mainly because I've not practised much) but I'm "self taught" by watching vids. I'm going to get in to being coached I think just wanna find the time. TBH with this it seems the vast majority would say replace health and safety laws with a little something called common sense and we're on to a winner cheers, Elliot.
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Post by hollingworth on Jul 20, 2009 21:44:27 GMT 1
I use the local cricket pitch its closer/quiter and never used. i think backley did too when he started .
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Post by Morgan on Jul 22, 2009 9:20:49 GMT 1
I did this too before i joined the local track. Got a few strange looks but it's not everyday you see a spear chucker in your park! Of course i stopped whenever soemone was in 50 M. seeing as i was only throwing 25 tops when i threw there. So as long as you never hit anyone there is no problem and is a great way to train if you only have 1 day of training a week (as i did).
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Post by Caroline on Jul 22, 2009 12:57:25 GMT 1
I spoke to a contact of mine recently about this topic. His opinion was that, if advice is given on a public forum that it is ok to throw in a public place by someone who could be referred to as an 'expert', eg a coach, teacher, etc, then anyone who was injured as a consequence of this could have a case to sue the 'expert' as well as the thrower.
Now, I'm not a lawyer... but I can't say I'd want to risk offering that sort of advice to all and sundry, particularly young and inexperienced throwers! - I happen to value the meagre levels of my bank account too much!
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Post by lesh on Jul 22, 2009 14:44:39 GMT 1
Hi Caroline:
Your contact's comments are very disturbing. I have often seen javelin throwers practising at the top end of the car park at Bedford a long way from anybody and in perfect safety. Nobody attempts to stop them although if they were clearly endangering somebody, I would like to think that any responsible person would intervene. Apart from the competition itself and possibly 2-3 warm up throws, there is nowhere else as we don't see fit to provide suitable indoor warm-up areas for throwers in the UK. The situation is even worse for hammer throwers.
I'm not a lawyer either but there are all kinds of dangerous things people could do in public places which require the exercise of restraint and common sense. I could throw a cricket ball. I could drop a banana skin. If somebody gets hurt, then whatever you do, lawyers will pursue liability but there are limits which are exercised through proximity I believe. If I ask somebody to visit me involving crossing a busy road and they get run over, as far as I am aware, its nothing to do with me, even if I say its safe. The perpetrator and the victim are always expected to behave in a responsible manner. Taken to its ultimate conclusion, you could then in principle sue the Italian team manager for allowing his long jumper to compete in apparent safety in an athletic arena at which he was then hit by Pitkamaki's javelin, or the Italian athletic foundation for appointing the team manager and so on.
I'm sure I echo everybody who contributes to this forum by recognising that the javelin, like all throwing implements, wherever thrown or handled, is a dangerous implement capable of severely injuring or killing people and due care must always be exercised.
BW, Les.
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Post by benfisher on Jul 22, 2009 17:29:40 GMT 1
i go throwing on the rugby club near mine aslong as theres no-one around i dont see any problem it also saves me traveling 40-45 min to the track to train
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Post by slinger on Jul 22, 2009 17:59:51 GMT 1
Elliot, you should. It'd be a shame to waste your talent throwing only in a field. I'd also hazard a guess that if you were to be coached and found yourself improving and competing you'd enjoy participating in the sport even more than you do now! With regards to this debate about legality and safety throwing Javelins in public places - Elliot you really have opened a can of worms here! - but interesting though, as it's an avenue that hasn't been discussed I don't remember on here. Whilst it is indeed 2009 and we are in a world obsessed with health and safety and no win, no fee law suits and were your kids can't play conkers without wearing protective goggles. The world is simply barmy. I know Javelins are potential deadly weapons - that's the origins of the implement - BUT please........come on!! - common sense! simple common sense says you don't throw Javelins in places that could endanger bystanders. I know this is a public forum and we probably have some impressionable people reading it and I know as well as anyone you do have to be careful what we do write, as we do have a certain responsibilty, but like I say I just think it goes without saying even that it's just a case of using a bit of noggin' and common sense.
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Post by pembrokian on Jul 22, 2009 19:16:36 GMT 1
Whereas, for the most part, people are usually quite predictable (if stupid at times) the real hazard in a public park is/are dogs. No telling what they'll do, especially when chasing a £600 "stick" that's just been thrown. The problem with parks is that there's far too many variables.
Of course if the powers-that-be actually used a little common sense and allowed experienced throwers to use the local track when it's quiet, without the need for a level 15 super-coach present at all times then we 'ed go there instead. That's how I fell into coaching; I got my level 2 so that I was qualified to "coach" myself on a Sunday morning in an empty stadium !
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Post by ej1elliot on Jul 27, 2009 19:59:19 GMT 1
I might go back to southampton training with Bill, I went as a guest for a couple of months and met a girl called freya jones, heard from my sister that a girl was on tv doing javelin the other day and immediately intuitively asked if it was freya and she replied yes. Sort of gave me inspiration (as she's improved by about 10meters since I last trained with her) to possibly go back and keep training. I didn't mean to cause such controversy about public throwing I just wanted to know if it was technically legal so that I could make an informed decision off of my own back btw £600 stick? mines about £80 I only have a cheap polanik jav rated 60m
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