Morgan
Thorkildsen
2008(400g) PB: 31.90M 2009(600g) PB: 38.46M
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Post by Morgan on Jul 5, 2009 17:05:41 GMT 1
(i Know its meant to be on results but it wouldnt let me post!?) Hi, Today at the easterns Oliver Bradfield threw a monster 62 something! Soooo close to Matti!! I would like to congratulate him! Morgan.
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Post by sam on Jul 5, 2009 23:00:17 GMT 1
awesome stuff! English schools will be something special on friday
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ltad
Ivanov
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Post by ltad on Jul 5, 2009 23:09:55 GMT 1
Thanks Morgan and Sam. It was a great day for me today. It is ironic that Matti also threw 62.33m when he first broke 60m - a great act to follow!
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Post by nije on Jul 6, 2009 9:53:37 GMT 1
Well done Oli, great throw and well done to Tim as well and send him my regards. Great job and good luck for the rest of the season!
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matti
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Post by matti on Jul 6, 2009 10:17:54 GMT 1
Well done oli.... 62.33m is a huge throw and i have no doubt you will brake my BR of 63.68m this year, and if you dont im sure youl obliterate it next year with some stupid distance... i geuss when i come out of injury im going to have to set some more targets for you along the way
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Post by GJenson on Jul 7, 2009 8:50:25 GMT 1
Great throw young lad - take care and don't bust yourself to bits - it's a long road to success as a senior - good luck at the schools
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Post by nije on Jul 7, 2009 17:30:36 GMT 1
For those who don't know was the U17 age best record holder in the jav at U17 and threw 72m with the 700g adn 8900 old spec so was our hero at the time and someone we all looked up to.
He also came 2nd in the Euro juniors at cottbus 1985 beating a certain Jan Zelezny into 2nd place (both with the same distance) and the next year mark roberson threw a massive pb (74m) and uk jun reocord to take silver at the world juniros (ist one I think) where Gary messed up and came 8th I think with 68m but came back to throw 74.56 to take the junior r4cord again as well as thorwing 80m with the old spec that year.
Now these were hte ones who me and backley had to follow and stev duly did throwing 78.16 the next year and winng the eruro juinoirs at birmingham and I threw 73,76m coming 4th to steve (I threw 72,52 on the day) We both threw over 70m in basically all of our meets that year he threw 4 x 75ms as well adn i thriew about 11 meets over 71.
Really good to see you back talking again gary you were a real inspiration to me and the lieks of steve adn co and we remember those braintree open meets in that field.
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Post by slinger on Jul 7, 2009 20:43:24 GMT 1
I do still have a slight worry and have concern over our youngsters in the event. In over 30 years of modern javelin throwing and since records and time began are yet to have a single [male atleast - Gold is the only Female exception] Javelin thrower make it through progressing in the junior boys or intermediates [u/15's and 17's] to world class - we've been close and namely David Parker [the only one mind] but he has suffered not one, but numerous serious injuries over the years have been huge set backs - notably injuries that have occured due to bad advice......but this thread and post in particular isn't about that and being so personal. It certainly is concerning and quite mind boggling, bearing in mind the Javelin coaching talent in the UK which in small pockets imo is pretty good and in one or two circumstances very good with legit experience. Back on thread topic - 62m @ 13 and being a first year in the age group in this country is simply unheard of - it is actually world class, it's as simple as that [If I remember right the world age best for 13 is 65 by a young German] but at a risk of sounding negative and almost derogatory - which I assure you it is not, I won't get caught up in kids' hype till they are older than 13/14 - I will however watch and indeed be very happy if Oli is a future junior and senior success, along with other young "protege's" we hear about. All the very best Oli and all I can say is don't take it too seriously - have a laugh, enjoy it like we all do and I hope you join the "LLLJC" "Life Long Loony Javelin Club"
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Post by GJenson on Jul 7, 2009 20:56:59 GMT 1
More wise words for Oli there from Slinger, there can't be enough tbh. Nige - thanks for the nearly 100% correct bio there - came 7th in the 1st Junior Worlds but had a 75m foot foul in the last round which would have got silver ( even the AW wrote that). I went to the German biomachanical 'suite' after the event and watched that throw - looked like I was in the step phase of the triple jump my base was so wide - Lord only knows how far it would have been if I'd kept my 'normal far too long anyway' throwing base (and stayed 6 inches behind the line stupid boy ) Cheers mate
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Post by pj on Jul 7, 2009 21:17:12 GMT 1
Gary,
I still recall the exemplary letter you wrote to AW congratulating my son on breaking your Under 17 UK record.
It seems likely that the current crop of youngsters are starting to chip away at all the records, age bests, Young Athletes and English Schools records he set in his teens. Very best of luck to all. It was exciting for us at the time, and Slinger alluded to it, and it seemed that he might make the Senior breakthrough and follow the legend that is Steve Backley to the top of the event.
However, these things aren't cast in stone and injuries and conflicting advice, quickly followed by the huge disappointment of losing his funding at 22 have made the last part of the mountain the hardest to climb. 'Twas ever thus.
History is oft quoted so that people don't make the same mistakes and thereby 'history' repeats itself.
Let us hope that our latest youngsters, and there are quite a few, have the unremitting loyalty of the 'Guvnors' of the sport.
Gary thanks again for those extremely kind and generous words in 1996. Not forgotten.
Phil
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Post by H on Jul 7, 2009 23:57:30 GMT 1
Dont forget BUSA records hehe ;D
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Post by GJenson on Jul 8, 2009 8:41:36 GMT 1
Phil,
I remember the letter quite well actually, it was the least I could've done. Shame his career followed an almost mirror image of mine - injury, injury, injury 78m - ouch that hurts too much!
Regards, Gary
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Post by pj on Jul 8, 2009 10:41:30 GMT 1
Dont forget BUSA records hehe ;D I didn't mention it because it was probably the 'softest' of the lot. Done when he was 19 I think !! Ouch ! How old were you H when you broke it? I did say' current crop of youngsters'.
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Post by nije on Jul 8, 2009 10:49:24 GMT 1
Slinger is correct abotu the U15/U17 and it mirrors what I siad at a uka talk I did a while back adn my words were used as a warning to Matti. However, Looknig at LTAD - matti being out for a while will gie him more time to be reigned in as you shuld not do too much tto soon adn when he got his uka funding, my initial thoughts it was too young and is wht i said to uka when they asked my opinion of another thrower his age.
Dave has been used as a cautiionary tale and what has been learned from his experience has put our athltes in a better state now and I think we ahev the processes out there to look after the olivers etc. The one concern is how mature these kids are at a young age, if thye are extremely mature, then that may account for alot of their early development, but even with matti, he is still a young looking lad with a very underdeveloped physique for the moment adn that is what is wanted.
I coahc Brett Morse who some fo you may know and all I hear is that ihe is too weak. We that is good as he has onoyl been in the sport 2/3 years and this was his first full year training with me and he is developing intop an athletes who can run jumpo and throw and with modest lifts he is sitting at hte top of the uK rankings at 20 years of age. HE has alot of maturity to come adn has a good technique so as a senior he will progress adn not regress as so many have before him. This is how I believe we shoudl develop young talent - yes you an train hard at a young age but only 3% of our junior medal winners go onto win senior individual gloabla medals - so why the rush!
GAry threw 79m after his U17 record and went to a european champs so he wasn't a disaster and Colin MKEnzie went to a wordl adn european chap having been the previous U17 record holder so they did have brief senior championship involvement.
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ltad
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Post by ltad on Jul 9, 2009 15:19:30 GMT 1
Hi, I’m Sarah Oli’s Mum. Oli has asked me to pass on his thanks to all of the javelin club members for congratulating him on his performance last weekend. It was a special moment for him to break 60m for the first time.
I am interested in your views on long term athlete development which I do agree with but there is an element of negativity directed at young achievers. I would be quite wealthy now if I received £1 for every time a parent has come up to me and either directly or indirectly told me that my son will not make it to senior level in any of the sports which he takes part in at regional level now – athletics, cricket, rugby and hockey and when he was 9 tennis and swimming. However, I think there is too much generalisation and if everyone fell in this category then we wouldn’t have Mark Spitz who swam at 2 and won his first national championships at 10 to then win 7 Olympic Golds (Mark Phelps was also 10 when he won his first USA competition) or Tiger Woods who learnt to play golf at 3 and won his first major competition at 8 or Sebastian Coe who showed a natural ability for running at 12 and joined his local club.
Why these young achievers succeeded is they had an outstanding natural ability, they had tremendous help and support from family, friends, coaches, their schools, they had a passion for their sport and they also had a lot of luck along the way.
I think statistics can be misleading as they relate to the past. They also do not look at individual cases.
I feel that there is change happening out there with regard to javelin throwing in this country. Children are being exposed to it at a far younger age than in the past so you will have a lot more children like Oli needing the help and support to develop into senior athletes. Only yesterday, Goldie Sayers held a master class in Norwich which was attended by many 8 year olds which was a wonderful opportunity for them. Oli’s success and others in the junior ranks have probably inspired more youngsters than ever to give it a go. I come from the same era as Steve Backley and I know that I have never thrown a javelin in my life. It just wasn’t taught in the majority of state schools. With large sponsors now offering vouchers to schools to buy sports equipment my 8 yo has been able to throw turbo javelins in his PE lessons.
My view of long term athlete development is that you don’t specialise too early – you compete in a range of sports and competitions, but most of all, you don’t overdo things – you just chill out and enjoy it.
Good luck to all you throwers out there – fingers crossed for some more pbs this season.
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