gtb
Pitkamaki
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Post by gtb on Jul 3, 2009 21:48:47 GMT 1
Another set of good, but not exceptional, 83/4m marks at Bislett tonight.
But where are the next 92, 93, 94+m efforts coming from??
The Thork, Tero & Vadims were all born in 1982 so should be coming into their peak, but their pbs date back to 2006, 2005 and 2007 respectively, albeit VV's been close to his this year.
I know the main thing is winning champs, and that the Thork is consistent, and has a technique that stands up under champs pressure etc etc.
BUT the last 92+ was Makarov 7 years ago, and it's about time there were some really spine tingling performances to set the event on fire. Of the current crop I reckon only the erratic VV's capable.....or do we have to wait for some new blood at the top end?
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matti
Thorkildsen
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Post by matti on Jul 3, 2009 22:14:09 GMT 1
84m is still a very long way and takes some to throw it, if someone was to throw 92m+ that would put them 5th+ on the all time list, and that takes a special athlete coming together at the right time...
yes the performances have dropped over 2008-2009... but not every athlete will be throwing at there best all the time
anything over 85m is still a huge throw and not many can boast a pb over that distance, the 90m throwing is rare and not something people should expect of athletes only appreciating when it does happem
i think we have been lucky in recent years to have thorkildsen, pitkamaki and vasilevskis over the 90m mark fairly consistantly on a yearly basis... but the distances they are throwing now are still the best the world has to offer and so are amazing...
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Post by sam on Jul 4, 2009 9:19:12 GMT 1
the disappointment for me is that breaux greer isn't throwing this year and had a terrible season last year. I could see him throwing 95m but i guess the gladiators has given him a different focus.
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Post by GJenson on Jul 4, 2009 18:00:02 GMT 1
For me Sam, Greer has/had the potential to throw at least 95m but he has one major technical failing. Indeed, so did Kostas G. If one looks at a slo mo of any of their throws, even the big ones (90+) you will always see their back foot coming off the ground late on in the 'hit'. This will not only reduce the torque generated in the back, but like a boxers punch, will reduce the range off delivery and power. Going back to the main thread about monster throws, things seem to tail off after Olympic year even though money is there to be won in Europe. Hopefully they are all 'clean' and not worried about new tests coming out but you never know, do you
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Post by slinger on Jul 5, 2009 11:07:24 GMT 1
Here I am sat here trying to catch up with the recent Javelin discussions, after coming home from my hols and I find myself reading Gary's post there and whilst I don't want to believe it it does seem odd to me that we do have years of ups and downs - I mean maybe I wear rose tinted glasses too often, but you do have to wonder if they are "clean" ??
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Post by Caroline on Jul 5, 2009 18:24:00 GMT 1
I do think that injuries play a big part in the 'ups and downs'. For example, Thork was plagued with a niggling back injury the year before the Olympics, and hardly threw apart from one or 2 competitions. I find it difficult to believe that any of the top guys are 'assisted'... there is far too much to lose these days.
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Post by nije on Jul 5, 2009 19:44:35 GMT 1
Usually 79m makes the world top 50 in the men's jav by the season's end so unless there are any real drop offs by 5 or 6 meters, as happened with the women's long throws when random testing came in I don't think we can make sweeping statements about the validity of previous best performances. The Drugs issue opens a big can of worms as this means we have to lookat our own people s well as the overseas lot. I was told 77m was about the limit without drugs when I was a junior, but that did't make sense and i can think of at least one person for definate who threw further than that clean!
I would also be reluctant to accuse any of our other throwers from steve down for taking drugs and in response to carolines thought that there is too muc to loose - well that didn't prevent dwain chambres or any of those other pages of sprinters who have been caught recently.
Sport is a microcosm of society and is representivie of it so expect to have liars, thieves and cheats in sport as well as society. It is just simple demographics. My personal experience which is quite wide an varied having been involved with other sports and studied the drugs scene is that is less prevalent than people would think. Much of the rugby lads in here in wales are taking steroids if you listen to weights room chatter but in reality tey are taking legal and questionable testosterone boosters which certainly haven't made them strong!!!!! We are stll a clean sport with the odd offeder here and there and most other talk is just.. talk!
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Post by GJenson on Jul 5, 2009 19:49:25 GMT 1
Glad I've not sparked a riot of posts linked with drug issues I do believe that Thork and Tero are clean, can't speak for others as I've not followed their progress as closely. Both these guys have the time, talent and backing to achieve what they have without drugs. I doubt anyone posting on here has the opportunity to train full time and eat, train and sleep for their sport. I know I didn't and just wish I knew what I know now, back then. (For the older ones q George Benson) With a single minded focus and an achievable goal most athletes will improve beyond what they first thought was possible. As with most things in life - positive mental attidude and a will to improve and succeed. See you in London 2012!! ;D
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Post by GJenson on Jul 5, 2009 19:52:34 GMT 1
oooops! Nige was posting as I was! Nige, I was clean mate, well apart from the beer of course ;D - you ok fellah? Loggin off now to watch Top Gear
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Post by pembrokian on Jul 5, 2009 20:35:54 GMT 1
"See you in London 2012!!"
Something you're not telling us Mr. Jenson ?
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Post by sam on Jul 6, 2009 0:46:31 GMT 1
now that would be something. How old would you be, 45? Well if roald is still throwing over 70m at 45 then there's no reason you couldn't gary!
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Post by nije on Jul 6, 2009 1:59:43 GMT 1
Good to see u posting gary! In answer to your last post G - may f our athltes are fll time now due to loteery and university so we would hope that we could produce god athletes across the range of events.
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Post by GJenson on Jul 6, 2009 12:18:24 GMT 1
One thing that would stop me Sam is my shoulder. I think 3 years is too little time to learn to throw right handed and then chuck 81m to qualify for London Nige - forgot about athletes in full time ed and lotto fund!
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Post by sam on Jul 6, 2009 13:33:24 GMT 1
pah!.. ignore the shoulder and just get on with it
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Post by GJenson on Jul 6, 2009 20:08:03 GMT 1
Wish I could ignore the shoulder Sam (I know you were joking, I hope) but there is soooo much scar tissue in there. I would struggle to justify the prolonged expense for treatment if I couldn't be certain of success. Like many on here I have a family and a home to run/mortgage to pay - that's just life. I have been doing some training this last 4 weeks though and my troublesome back is improving with lots of stretching and hard ab workouts. Only confident of front squating 80k for 3x10 but ok at present. In fact, done more training in these 4 weeks that the previous 4 years due to loads of other problems. Doing as much as I can to self treat my shoulder and if things continue to improve will dust the spears off in the garage soon and have a gentle bung. If I can throw 50m without any serious reaction then game on. If not, dream on!
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