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Post by pembrokian on Apr 9, 2009 16:43:08 GMT 1
I'm sure there must be others in my situation at the moment; you've just furnished UKA with enough money to host a Kings banquet by paying for your Level III coaching bits and pieces. Phase I, Phase II and the Strength & Conditioning courses, two at Gateshead and one in Manchester, have left me with a debt to rival Nigeria's.
But yet there's more, the "event specific module"; and a need to get it done before the rules of the game change in September. But there's not a single field event specific module advertised anywhere.
So I contact UKA asking, politely, where and when.
A lady tells me there might be one at Lee Valley (not exactly handy for me but beggars can't be choosers) on the 26th April but she's not sure. I need to be sure before I book hotels and such like.
Then it occurs to me ('cos I'm a bit slow like) that if there was a javelin specific event module at Lee Valley on April 26th, one of you guys would have to know about it; I mean some of you practically live there.
Can anyone confirm or deny this rumour ?
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Post by sam on Apr 9, 2009 17:54:36 GMT 1
if there is i don't know anything about it. And i'm part based out of there. Alex wolf is a uka employee who does strength conditioning there and also coaches stuart harvey from there. Don't know who else could be running the module. There is only mike mcneil, mark roberson nigel bevan who are the otherss who occasionally use the centre.
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Post by pembrokian on Apr 9, 2009 22:04:34 GMT 1
Thanks Sam. Doesn't sound too promising then.
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Post by nije on Apr 10, 2009 21:43:38 GMT 1
The problem with the throws modules is that there are very few coaches out there and even fewer who want to do their L3 or L4. There are surprisingly few new coaches comng into the sport and the field events ae suffering. What is happening is that local coaches are now going to act a hub centre coaches adn other clubs can come along and utilise them. I have bee asked to do 3 L4 courses in my time with a grand total of 6 people who wanted to do them but they were cancelled due to a lack of interest. This is not the case for track vents where may coacehs go all the way through to L4 ASAP
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Post by pembrokian on Apr 16, 2009 17:11:03 GMT 1
Well, there's still no Level 3 javelin module anywhere in the UK (but, since rattling a few cages, at least there's now some field events) so I will do the discus module just to make sure I don't lose all the investment I've already made in this circus when it all changes in September. If you knew just how little I know about winging the discus you'd realise how laughable this all is. I'm paying another £100 (plus travel and accomodation) to do a course in an event that isn't what I want to coach just to ensure I don't waste all the money I've already spent !
If I didn't laugh I'd cry.
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Post by pembrokian on Apr 28, 2009 15:39:26 GMT 1
OK, I'm abaout to create a nuisance of myself again to the powers that be. Is there anyone here in the same position I am who'd like to add their name to a request to stage a level 3 javelin event specific course ? I'd push to have it situated as close to as many recipients as possible.
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Post by sam on Apr 28, 2009 16:13:30 GMT 1
i've been told to hang tight on my level 3 because of the new format of coaching courses coming in from september onwards.
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Post by pembrokian on Apr 28, 2009 17:08:23 GMT 1
Sam, that's exactly why you should try to finish it before all the goalposts shift. I don't want to suddenly find that the £00's I've already spent have to be re-spent because some clueless halfwit has come up with a new name for everything. Don't be surprised if, come September, you suddenly have to re-attend all the courses you've already paid to attend.
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Post by sam on Apr 29, 2009 8:35:22 GMT 1
i'm only a level 2 and haven't even started working to level 3. Been far to busy working and coaching to be able to give up time to do that.
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Post by jeremy on May 3, 2009 21:39:33 GMT 1
Sam has an excellent point.
It is said that successful coaching is about relationships, not about qualifications.
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Post by malcolmfenton on May 4, 2009 9:50:35 GMT 1
Well, 4 years ago...ish I did all the prelim Level 4 courses and sent my log book to Maggie Still at UK:A.....
They lost it....
When I asked for an update, I was told all I needed was to be assessed. They said they would contact the National Hammer Coach to arrange this..... I pointed out I was the National Hammer Coach and all went quiet.
Under Callum Ore I was told to complete an 'Assessment of Coaching Competence' and send it to him. Of course Callum was made redundant by UK:A, along with most of the coaches.
I have contacted England, who contacted UK:A, who contacted England, who contacted UK:AS..... and on and on.
On that basis...... Don't hold your breath.
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Post by sam on May 4, 2009 11:20:34 GMT 1
brilliant eh!
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Post by pembrokian on May 4, 2009 22:08:00 GMT 1
I'm not giving up (well, not yet anyway).
If anyone is interested there is very likely to be a javelin event specific at Sport City, Manchester over the weekend of 30th Oct to 1st Nov.
If anyone would like to attend please let Debbie Beresford know (or I can pass a name on).
Incidentally, I have been told that those already part way through their level 2 and 3 licences will be allowed to complete them beyond the September launch of the new scheme.
I do think there is something in what you say :
"It is said that successful coaching is about relationships, not about qualifications."
...however, next time I go in for an operation I'd like to know the surgeon has a medical degree and isn't just good at relationships.
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Post by nije on May 4, 2009 22:33:18 GMT 1
There has been nobody inlace since Callum left over a year a go and i belive the new canadian guy Kevein Tyler has coach edcuation on his remit/portfolio so I imagine there will be sme course going on soon - although i think the uksc ones projected price list will not go down very well!
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Post by geoff on May 29, 2009 11:40:58 GMT 1
Sam is typical of many good coaches who have attained the minimum qualification to allow them to coach but then for a variety of reasons not progressed to a higher level. This was also the case with the old BAF scheme of assistant coach, club coach and senior coach.
I remember attending the first tutor training day in Wales and heard a presentation from Maggie Still. I asked her what was the incentive to progress from Level 2 to Level 3? She couldn't give a satisfactory answer. There has never been any real motivation or incentive and as Nije says wait for the costs of the new UKCC courses to be revealed - it may be quite a shock. Plus grants to cover coach education costs will be more difficult to obtain so who is going to pay perhaps up to a £1000 to do a level 3 course?
Kevin Tyler has his work cut out if he wants to transform coaching!
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