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Post by nije on Aug 26, 2008 13:51:30 GMT 1
I think this issue has been exhausted - however, Huffy is capable of such distances - so I am not too sure why this is still going. Now if he had claimed he had thrown 85m - now that would be different - but he has made a sizeable improvement from last year so give him credit for that!
If he throws 80m next year this thread wil be totally irrelevent!
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Post by smiler on Aug 26, 2008 23:29:10 GMT 1
If the accusations are true then I think it is ridiculous to suggest that it will be ok next year if he throws 80m!
He may be capable of throwing that kind of distance but then so are half of the guys on this forum and you dont see half of the forum getting pulled up for this blatant attempt to cheat.
This could possibly impact on someones funding if they have been set a power of 10 target for example!
You also have Jim Evs on the verge of giving up because he is not throwing as far as his training is suggesting he should be. Would it then be acceptable for him just to send in a dodgy score card and claim a greater distance?
Chris (not huffy)
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Post by slinger on Aug 27, 2008 5:24:20 GMT 1
whilst huffy hasn't said on here whats going on i'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet, initially i did - i'll be honest, but i just want the lad to tell us what he's doing, if anything to prove his 74m throw is legit or if the case of it not - either or really this is still in my mind a really serious thing.
i think nije was said one or two irresponsible things there, maybe it's the way it was worded, things can be taken the wrong way, but what james evs and smiler have said are spot on and i could not agree more.
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Post by pembrokian on Aug 27, 2008 7:02:16 GMT 1
"The other thing he probably forgot is that pdf files and all other files will have a last modified date on them."
If this is the case (and it's still an if at this point) he's as stupid as he is dishonest. The modification date is picked up from the computer doing the modifying; so before you modify a file you reset the computers date/time. I hope for his sake he doesn't move into a life of crime.
Apart from that; someone throws one of the longest throws by a British athlete all season and he thinks no-one will ask any questions ? And all for what ? He must have realised that every subsequent performance would be hyper-scrutinised.
I'm glad I'm crap; it's easy to prove and never questioned !
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Post by pj on Aug 27, 2008 8:10:39 GMT 1
Well my take is that he had the gall to criticize his fellow competitors on here, and David was one of them if you remember; in the same week that he was manipulating an official results sheet in his favour and to the detriment of others. Several people have PM'd him for an explanation including me. He has according to the home page signed in on here but not given an explanation. The first thing would be a grovelling apology and then his fellow competitors should take it from there. David has washed his hands of him.....and remember he stayed in David's house in Loughborough ( owned by my other son Andrew ) for free on countless occasions.
Perriss Wilkins cheated his fellow competitors and the consequent ban finished him.
The World of Statisticians is a very tight circle and probably harder to cheat than WADA, so if NUTS get a result sheet from Sardinia you can be 100% sure it is correct!
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Post by doogiehowsermd on Aug 27, 2008 10:15:52 GMT 1
what is difference from this and drug taking - both achieve the same result although it is probably safer to fudge your results than take steriods
do they have similar punishment?
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Post by nije on Aug 27, 2008 10:49:02 GMT 1
I think maybe my post wasn't clear -
I deleted a long and rambling Bev special and in that I suggested that we let Huffy respond now affter two pages of speculation and condemnation!
The 85m thing was in relation to funding as it is he has thrown 72/73m it would not make much of a difference and if he did lie about the performance - which I think we can all agree he was capable of this year and still is - it was believable. E.g. I don't think Merv or Alex will be elevated to any funding throwig similar distances so as an older bloke - I don't think Huffy will either - unless they think he has shown the potential.
A I said though - if he throws 80m+ next year I am not sure that this thread will be forgotton - unless he does it at a small meet somewhere in Europe!!!!!!
Also there are not half the posters on here capable of 75m (who haven't already done so)which is another thread!!!
And...Periss Wilkins did no lie about how far he threw - he threw it - but it was supposedly with a light discus (in the case of Birmingham Uni he had it weighed afterwards at the alexander stadium - now how that was ratified I do not know). HE was also banend for taking steroids so his experiences are diffferent from Huffy's I think we can all agree!
So that is where I am coming from and hopefully have made it clearer! Either way he is one of most imporved thrwoes this year having changed from decathlon adn I am am interested to see how he goes next year, as I was about Merv when I first saw him. Unfortunately Merv has made some but not the progress his ability would indicate. I am sure those of you who attended the national squad and saw him lauch the 3k medball 30 odd metres can attest to his explosive shoulder power!
Peace!
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Post by Caroline on Aug 27, 2008 12:12:30 GMT 1
This is indeed a sad state of affairs. Still no reply/reason or excuse, and I guess that says volumes.
2 questions for you all - what censorship/punishment is or should be due in this case, if proven to be true?
Secondly, if none is forthcoming, what does that say to the young throwers who regularly visit this site?
I'm sorry, Nig, I dont agree with your thoughts that the distance is believable and therefore it somehow makes it ok. A lie is a lie, be it 10cm or 10m - all trust goes after that. Also, in this case I think the issue is to do with rankings - it would make a difference to several people in this case, who would be relegated down a place. Whether he could throw 75 is immaterial - it doesnt count unless it's done in competition, as part of the competition - not the warm up! - and properly measured!
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Post by nije on Aug 27, 2008 12:56:44 GMT 1
I did not say it was OK caroline - I said it was a believable distance that is all - and that adding 2/3m to his best would probably not affect his or others lottery status! I though that was clear - and as I said- it should be Huffy who responds now after nearly 2 pages of comments - or if he doesn't end of the matter. Or should we all carry on moaing about it - 1 moan is enough - in my case two more to explain/defend, my position!
Allah Akbar!
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Post by Tezzykins on Aug 27, 2008 13:29:01 GMT 1
I think it is quite obvious that he is not going to reply :/
He is shamed and has probably seen this viewing as a guest
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Post by slinger on Aug 27, 2008 13:38:36 GMT 1
but then again that's the whole problem isn't it....a believable distance, but what it does do is go ahead of some other lads who have thrown further than chris' 72.15m from bedford ie james, lee and neil, it also would mean he would go ahead of a few others all time and if i knew someone was shown in the history books of throwing further than me by cheating methods then man, i'd be very, very angry.
however, as i said the other day till he comes out and says then i don't know what to believe, all i know is if someone does what has been said it really is as bad as taking drugs, but what's worse is that if someone i competed with and had a laugh with for many years did that then it's not just the competition you are cheating, but cheating on friendship.
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Post by nije on Aug 27, 2008 14:25:35 GMT 1
...and that is fair enough. If that is how you feel about it, your opinion is to be respected. TBH I just looked and did not realise he had jumped 5 or so places in the rankings- so good point slinger.
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Post by jeremy on Sept 4, 2008 23:57:18 GMT 1
Today's AW has an artice on Huffy...
"Hughff drops nine events to shine"....... "justified his decision to focus on the javelin with a throw of 74.97m....."..........."hopes for greater imptrovements as he begins to train with Goldie,....Roberson....and javelin guru Mike McNeil....."
The full article is on page 10. I have paraphrased (before someone posts that I have misquoted)....
Jezza
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Post by sam on Sept 5, 2008 8:31:21 GMT 1
unbelievable.. A call to the aw editor is in order me thinks
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Post by pj on Sept 5, 2008 8:57:10 GMT 1
Well that is 'unbelievable' as Sam says. His whole stance this year has been one of self-promotion. He neede to buckle down and let his throwing do the talking and not his 'norf 'n' sarf'! To be honest he had made a dramatic improvement this year but not in Sardinia it seems!
I hope Mike, Rumps and Goldie will at least reconsider what H will bring to a fantastic team like theirs! I, if I had my way, would not let him get within 100 metres of David.
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