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Post by slinger on Aug 4, 2006 10:25:29 GMT 1
i know it's only august but already for some the thoughts of winter training will be looming and for some the season maybe even be over in terms of major comps being done.............
.......something which i feel is very important in all aspects of your training is that you actually test what you are doing and therefore comparisons can be made from either previous years or from the last testing date, testing something either a physical aspect such as over head shot or a 3 stride medi ball throw [of course there is an element of technique involved] or maybe a javelin technical aspect you have been drilling in and then testing it off the run up to see if "it's stuck" and if it actually benefits........
........so what tests does everyone do and what do they feel is most specific to the event and more importantly you?
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Post by Caroline on Aug 4, 2006 10:31:43 GMT 1
I do the throws quadrathlon with my little group. Seems to work quite well as an indicator of progress during winter conditioning.
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Post by slinger on Aug 4, 2006 10:48:17 GMT 1
what's a throws quad? apologies for the lack of intelligence
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Post by Caroline on Aug 4, 2006 11:03:09 GMT 1
(with thanks to the Hammer Circle)
How to conduct the test
Standing Long Jump
Athlete to place their feet over the edge of the sandpit, crouch and lean forward, swing the arms backwards, swing the arms forward and jump horizontally as far as possible, jumping with both feet into the sandpit. Measure the distance from the edge of the sandpit to the nearest point of contact. The start of the jump must be from a static position.
Three Jumps
Start with the feet comfortably apart with the toes just behind the take off mark. The athlete takes three continuous two footed bounds. Measure the distance covered. The start must be from a static position and the feet must be parallel on each jump phase. Spikes allowed.
30 Metre Sprint
The athlete sprints from a stationary position (standing or from blocks) as fast as possible to the 30 metre finish line. The time keeper stands at the finish line and times the run from the moment that the runner contacts the ground on the first stride to the moment when the runner's torso crosses the line. Spikes allowed.
Overhead Shot Throw
The athlete stands on the shot stopboard, facing away from the landing area, with their feet a comfortable distance apart. The shot is held cupped in both hands. The athlete crouches, lowering the shot between the legs, then drives upwards to cast the shot back over the head. There is no penalty for following through, but the athlete must land feet first and remain upright. Measurement is taken from the inside of the stopboard to the nearest point of contact. Shot weight as per the correct age group. Please watch the safety aspect.
Analysis Analysis of the scores is by comparing it with the results of previous tests. It is expected that, with appropriate training between each test, the analysis would indicate an improvement.
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Post by slinger on Aug 4, 2006 11:16:56 GMT 1
oh ok, so normal test quad then?
my wife is awesome at this, if she improves her 3 jumps [more practice tbh] then she'll no doubt top the UK all time list......
i was thinking more about any unusual tests? maybe more specific ones such as arched back two handed ball throws, standing 1kg/2kg ball throws, different varieties of jumps etc
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Post by slinger on Aug 4, 2006 11:33:29 GMT 1
with recent talk on finland, it would be good to hear if wez knows anything that the finns do?
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Post by petsku on Aug 14, 2006 11:34:12 GMT 1
As a Finnish thrower I can tell you that our tests is like the same as yours. 30m sprinting, 5-10 jumps, 3-5 jumps with both legs, shots forwards and backwards, standing throws and special standing throw where both legs are in the same level (tests your abs mostly) and so on. And weight lifting tests also: clean, back jerk, snatch, front squat, back squat, bench press, pullover etc...
In my opinion comparing tests with others is fun but useless. for example, my tests are bad (propably worst) if i compare those for other finnish javelin throwers, but anyway in last year I was 6th and this year 8th in Finnish championships. I think that beating the stronger guys is one of the best part of athletics.
Good tests for everybody!
By the way, Pitkamaki's best test results are 11,09 in 3jumps with both legs, 17,20 in 5 jumps, 125kg in snatch and 21,5 with overhead shot 4kg. Pretty good i think.
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Post by slinger on Aug 14, 2006 11:45:57 GMT 1
tero's results are excellent! when you say he's done 21.5m overhead shot using the 4kg do you mean like a soccer throw or like shot putters do to warm up - where you stand on the shot circle stop board facing the backwards and then squat and explode up and throw the shot backward? - if it's a soccer throw that's awesome! if it like i just described it's not too good tbh. i'd have thought he's a 25m over head shot man.
it's great to hear the forum is read worldwide!
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Post by DJM100 on Aug 14, 2006 15:55:05 GMT 1
I am pretty sure the 21m is for a football style throw - impressive
In a previous post there were comments on the value of horizontal jump training. Outside gym work has anyone got thoughts/advice on how to increase 3/5 jump bests?
It would be interesting to see the approach a triple jumper would take to improve their 3 jump ability.
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Post by petsku on Aug 15, 2006 9:00:43 GMT 1
Tero's 21,5 is soccer style throw. His overhead backward is something like 26-27m. That soccer style throw is test that we are doing a lot in Finland. 20m is very common result for elite throwers.
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Post by slinger on Aug 15, 2006 12:45:37 GMT 1
yeah, thank you for that.
i've read/heard that in finland the soccer throw is used often......
......regarding overhead shot using the 4kg shot, the very best [for a javelin thrower] i've heard of is makarov at 28m, hecht also close to this - matti narhi has legs like tree trunks any idea on his best?
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Post by wez on Aug 15, 2006 13:48:24 GMT 1
my tests are bad (propably worst) if i compare those for other finnish javelin throwers, but anyway in last year I was 6th and this year 8th in Finnish championships. I think that beating the stronger guys is one of the best part of athletics. Welcome in Petsku, but i have to say that you are wrong about your test being the worst in Finland- your forgetting me! Then again you probably aren't considering me as an elite thrower Here is the Finnish throws test once again www.kolumbus.fi/pekorho/english/jtest.htmI think that is quite a good way to monitor your progression through the winter months, it has been quite accurate for me so far but isn't so accurate with everyone. Take slinger the overachiever and lasher the underachiever as discussed before in JAvelin test- whats your potential.
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