Jiunlin - Ball throwing

[Administrator]

As many comments on our friend Jiunlin from Singapore's technique as possible would be appreciated please:

media.putfile.com/Ball-throw

Certainly some real effort in the throw!

[wez]

Not bad atall, nice movement through the throw and the block is ok aswell. I only have one real criticism, that you lean forwards all the time, you should be infact leaning slightly backwards towards the ball- this way you will get more hip shoulder separation when you hit with the hip into the block and you will pull over a greater distance and transfer alot more power.

Don't worry about leaning very far back as it will probably upset your balance, but just enough so that you are a little more backward than straight upright.

Lets see one with a javelin now....

[jiunlin]

Thank you so much wez. I personally think that my arm bends in before i could whip and that my head looking to high, leading to a high flight.

[slinger]

my thoughts were about relaxation and learning to use the legs, after speaking to jiunlin.

learning to use the legs in that allowing them to do the work during the X overs and not letting your body lean into it to get momentum to get going is tough for beginners but important, understanding how to achieve good active contacts off the floor was mentioned and again it is vital to not only gaining momentum during the throw but it's also key in allowing it to maintain during the throw, by which i mean at final right foot contact - ie landing in a position which allows you to do this.

certainly foot drills which were mentioned are key for this............btw at the weekend hardly any of the national discus squad "lot" had done footdrills in the past, all were hopeless apparently and had very poor posture whilst doing them - it's no surprise the only one who could do all the drills and what not to a excellent level was the only one who
'd been to a major championships - so get them done!!!! ;D

me and jiunlin are/were very similar in that we are not very tall and big and for us to achieve anything half decent the use of the legs in the throw are vital in not only gaining momentum but also mega important in the transfer of momentum................i think jiunlin will be fine.

btw does anyone know if there was a character in like street fighter, dead or alive or maybe tekan called jiunlin??? ;D

[Administrator]

I'm sure Jackie Chan's rival in Rush Hour was called Jiunlin!

[slinger]

funny funny film that!

[jiunlin]

Hahaha!! ((: Singaporeans are famous for rushing here and there, living in a fast pace of life.. Hahaha!

[wez]

I think what Slinger says about working the legs through the x over to increase momentum is definately the best way to stop your body getting ahead of yourself, but looking at Jiunlin's runup as a whole he is leaning forward from the beginning.

So I think what you need to be doing is make sure you run in a tall position (not leaning forwards) and when you get to the crossover steps you need to make special effort to work the legs and lower body to effectively leave your upper body behind. If you can do this and gradually accererate right up to the final right foot contact when you make your throwing base then you should be in a good position to transfer the runup momentum into the javelin. Just make sure you stay tall all the way through the runup and keep on the balls of your feet and especially don't dip or sink in height during the x overs as this can often happen when trying to put extra effort into working the lower body.

[jiunlin]

Alright wez. Got it..but with a question. You metioned dont dip or sink during x overs. How about the last final xover which gets you into the power position. I feel that if i resist the slight sink, i will be pumping the javelin over at a pretty high angle instead of through the point. I personally think that sinking a bit at the power position to increase the pull of the body is fine. But well, of course this is my view... What do you think about this?

[wez]

Do you mean the impulse stride? that is the 3rd from last foot contact with the left leg if you are right handed. This impulse stride should be where the throw position is setup by working it more like a forceful bound than a normal cross step, you should rise up a little more than normal. What this means is that when your final right foot contact is made you are coming down onto that leg- this is where avoiding the 'sink' is especially important as it will cause you to lose alot of the runup momentum.

If you were to sink on this final right foot contact in the throwing base then you would need to rise up again to deliver the throw which would mean there will not be much pressure on the left blocking leg and hence nothing to drive the throw from. Instead when you come down onto the right leg from the impulse stride you should land on your toes or the ball of the foot so you keep your height even though the leg is bent. This then makes it easy to drive the right hip forward into the left block. You should keep the javelin point by your eye all the time through this and it will be given elevation by the jolt caused in the block.

[jiunlin]

Alright, got it. the sentence 'If you were to sink on this final right foot contact in the throwing base then you would need to rise up again to deliver the throw which would mean there will not be much pressure on the left blocking leg and hence nothing to drive the throw from.' enlightened me. Its a waste of energy to sink the knee because it could have been faster, more explosive when theres active block which leads to the jerk. Then the javelin wil be executed out forcefuly. Okay, in understand now. Thanks Wez!

[wez]

Good to hear that you understand now get out there and 'make it so' and show us a new video when you have...

[jiunlin]

Oh oh! Yup! but not now.. shoulder's giving me a little prob. Will be okay in 2 days time after icing..

[mike]

Just a couple of things: Try not to throw the ball hard as nothing can be learned from this except how to create no width and probably hurt yourself. Concentrate on being side on, upper body shifted back behind your hips and just let your arm hold the ball with no tension as you run, then just stick your left foot out and let the throw happen. If you do these three things and relax as you run, then you are in position for the throw to happen with no effort required.
All that can mess it up is being too tense (especially in the arm), not being side on, not being behind your legs and trying too hard to lash the thing.
Start off slowly in the right position, slowly accelerate, get the left leg out in front of you and let your arm flow through from the back to in front of you and don't try to hit it hard.
If it feels effortless,pain free and it takes you 2 steps after the throw to stop it's probably just about right.
Keep trying to do those things and you'll be a much better javelin thrower.

[jiunlin]

Thanks mike!