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Post by Lovett on May 10, 2004 10:27:16 GMT 1
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Post by JB on May 10, 2004 10:42:04 GMT 1
Holy cow, finland is like a production line... if only half of these guys make the next step they will dominate for ages ! i reckon we should start taking sauna's and rolling in the snow butt naked immediatly ;D! you have to say though how good could our crop of up and coming throwers be if javelin was as big and got as much funding and support in this country ? they get given a spear at birth up there and throw it out the pram with perfect release!
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Post by motherhen on May 10, 2004 13:04:46 GMT 1
I bet they let them throw real javelins at school over there!!!!! (stops now before favourite rant begins lol  ) |
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Post by sam on May 11, 2004 0:03:06 GMT 1
ok mother hen...i would like to get a pack together for teachers to use when showing school children the javelin technique...any ideas..
of course we would need to pass it through UKA and possibly a teachers union or the government but i'm willing to do it
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Post by JB on May 23, 2004 16:33:27 GMT 1
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Post by motherhen on May 24, 2004 9:40:32 GMT 1
There are a lot or resources already out there that include how to throw the javelin. These range from event specific days for teachers run by UKA, Coaching for teachers generic days, TOPS sports training and the shine awards. The problem I believe isnt in resources but in the mind set of some teachers.
Athletics is probably the most difficult sport to teach when you think of all the different events it contains especially with todays larger class sizes. Many events in athletics are over looked because the teacher either cannot be bothered to learn more about them (dont want to / they have enough to do already), dont have the equipment or they are percieved too dangerous.
Javelin tends to come under the dangerous category. I've had meany chats about this over the years including one where I had explain that throwing a javelin was actually safer than throwing a discus (in this case throwing without a cage!)
Its a question of education for teachers rather than just resources.
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Post by Nick on May 26, 2004 18:05:15 GMT 1
There is little or no support in the schools where I live locally for Athletics. As with most sports for kids you end up taking then to a club (be it football/Athletics etc). Now it happens that my local club has a Javelin coach for my son and there is a group of about 10 people being coached in all ranges of age and ability and for us the Javelin is a success. However I think getting the teachers involved would be an uphill struggle not because they can't but it is a minority sport and they will focus their efforts on the majority sports cricket, football, rugby, netball etc. I'm not sure you can blame them.
The issue for me is getting the kids into the clubs. The emphasis in clubs seems to be on either running or all round sports which is fine but some kids particularly in the throwing disciplines are unlikely to be exceptional runners/jumpers as well (I'm sure there are exceptions) so clubs need to target a different audience. How you do that I’m not sure but the schools passing on information about clubs would be a start. I don't know whether there is a list of clubs with throws coaches but in my experience at looking at club web sites it appears not to be clear where there these specialists. One idea maybe to target the young kids who go to the schools district throwing events whilst at primary school (up to U11) and give them a list of the clubs locally where they can continue to throw and enjoy themselves. Interestingly the Surrey Youth Games has reverted to TurboJavs, Plastic Hammers this year for U12/U13 (Year 6 and 7’s) which is just crazy how can you get kids excited about athletics when they are not doing the “real thing” they see on the telly etc.
What I am saying is that clubs themselves need to be aware that they need a broad intake.
We are relying on getting the runners transferring to have a go at throwing (particularly in girls/ladies throwing) or a few people who turn up to do throws specifically. My own experience with my son was that the club was geared to running from initial impression and you had to be a great athlete, now we’ve been in the club we know that is not the truth but if we struggled to realize it with a child desperately keen to throw then I’m sure others would too.
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Post by sam on May 26, 2004 18:07:50 GMT 1
where are you based exactly Nick?
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Post by Nick on May 26, 2004 18:12:21 GMT 1
We (my son) is a member at Bracknell AC.
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Post by motherhen on May 27, 2004 12:26:31 GMT 1
Field events for Greater Manchester Youth Games U13's (yr 7 and 8) are Standing long and triple jump, High jump, Shot, Discus and Turbo Javelin.
There is always a debate regarding youth games events. Guidelines come from the AAA and then it is up to county sports partnerships how they are applied from my understandling
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Post by Nick on May 27, 2004 14:13:28 GMT 1
It is Year 7 and 8 as you suggest! My point on this was that in trying to encourage people into the sport then doing cut down versions is an odd decision ie. no where other than these games do you do these events. But maybe I'm overly critical, getting the throwers at the games to go to clubs afterwards would be a start.
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