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Post by slinger on Dec 11, 2007 21:43:00 GMT 1
...this is something which i can never get my head around really, as it really does seem to differ for everyone i talk to, some people throw real easy and off very short approaches - often from just a few steps and do not throw hard at all, yet some people throw hard all year long, some people only throw balls and not javelins and some people don't throw at all during the vast majority of the winter and concentrate on other aspects of training.
from my experience i have found that it is best for me to throw hard and pretty much all year long, with only a short break after the season finishes.
I have in the past done a whole winter of not throwing hard at all and just done the "easy" throws in the thinking that i can really focus on improving aspects of throwing technique, due to the lower intensity, but this however for me didn't work as the individual aspects of technique worked on didn't really transfer to the competition style throw.
how does everyone else approach their throwing training during the winter months?
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Post by robyn2012 on Dec 11, 2007 22:36:47 GMT 1
I have always thrown all year round. I have a little to work on with my javelin technique and this is why I do it aswell. I also throw the javelin hard and very rare easy! I also throw balls and other throwing implements aswell through out the year.
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Post by wez on Dec 12, 2007 10:48:16 GMT 1
This is one of those mind bogglers really. I don't know if there is any definitive truth here but there are a few facts to consider. Firstly if you throw hard and often you are likely to pickup injuries or even go stale. Secondly if you never throw hard or have very long periods without throwing you will probably get technically worse and more than likely lose that rhythm and timing which is an absolute requirement for throwing far. Lastly after the summer season most throwers have niggling injuries that require some sort of layoff period to recover, but too long a layoff will cause you to lose your tolerance to throws training so when you start up again it will be from square one. This sounds quite skeptical as i read it back to myself but the answer here is probably to try and find the right balance to suit you personally as we are all physically different. I know for me personally there is a big difference between what i would like to do and what i actually do. I would like to take 2-4 weeks off from throwing altogether at the end of a season to recover and then keep my throwing ticking over with a medium intensity session every fortnight building into a weekly session in early spring and then raising the intensity to max in training by early summer throwing 1-2 times per week. What actually happens tends to be more like this: get horrendously injured towards the end of season and spend the next few months in rehab rebuilding condition with no javelin throwing atall. Regain condition and make a whole load of test pbs in a hurry then Kick start the throws training with medball and then javball a couple of months before the season and then get started with jav as soon as possible. Attend first competition having had about 5 full javelin throwing sessions- then repeat the cycle...  man thats depressing reading, could you lend me the violin please Sam  |
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Post by jiunlin on Dec 12, 2007 16:02:13 GMT 1
well said, wez. i am very puzzled too. before i start listening to you and the training advices, i would not usually throw untill january, then i start a little throwing and increase it abit by abit as the days near the comp. and yes, i think i tend to lose rhythm and everything. i have to go through some serious mental thinking and rhythmic counting to get it back. and i must say, its alot of torture! :/
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Post by slinger on Dec 12, 2007 16:20:16 GMT 1
the thing is...i'm convinced people just don't throw javelins enough full stop, especially fuller throws - throws that resemble something like a competition type throw.
the thing is i'd ask is how do people expect to improve something if they don't actually practise it? - that's the thing that boggles me.
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Post by jimevs on Dec 12, 2007 18:03:09 GMT 1
I'd say I'm in a similar camp to Wez. I do try to throw as much as I can but more so as much as my body will let me. The thought of throwing more than once in a weekend is beyond me at the moment!
When I do throw however 90% of my throws are high intensity and as the season becomes closer I'd say more than 75% of my training throws are off a full run.
I've probably come unstuck before because the number of spears I throw in one session is way too high so I am now trying to set myself a limit before I train and stick to it .
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Post by robyn2012 on Dec 12, 2007 18:46:35 GMT 1
At the moment throwing twice a week which is pleanty. My javelin throwing sessions usually last 2 hours, however that does include warming up ect and I start of from a stab and work my way up. I think it is important to throw all year round like already mentioned because I believe that if you dont throw all year round then again like already mentioned you can loose your rythem, it does feel like your back to square 1 because when I had my elbow injury in March, when I come back to throwing in May I found that I had no rythem, no fluency and my technique wasnt the best hense I threw just 30.88m which I can throw of standing. Also for throwers like myself I know I have things to work on so this is why I throw all year round and most of my throws I do throw hard. I start of with a few stabs then stabbing with a 3 stride approach or in my case 2 and then from 5 strides onwards I put the effort in then.
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Post by wez on Dec 13, 2007 9:42:41 GMT 1
the thing is...i'm convinced people just don't throw javelins enough full stop, especially fuller throws - throws that resemble something like a competition type throw. the thing is i'd ask is how do people expect to improve something if they don't actually practise it? - that's the thing that boggles me. How often and how hard do you think we should be throwing then? Personally I wouldn't ever throw jav more than twice per week even if i could because it just doesn't leave me enough time for recovery between sessions especially when throwing hard. I don't know if thats because of my throwing style or just my physical limitations. I guess though if you can throw 3-4 times per week and your body is ok with that then why not do it- as you say practice makes perfect... |
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Post by slinger on Dec 13, 2007 10:40:58 GMT 1
very tough question to answer that really, as obviously and said previous by people everyone is different with different needs, once or twice per 7 days is normal for javelin throwers, especially at high intensity, if throwers are throwing easy, then obviously volume can be higher.
i have in the past done around months worth of hard intense throwing in one week to see what happens and yeah, you do get a bit sore at the end of the week, but you do feel you 'feel' the event a bit differently and feel you understand what you are doing more and can make changes to what you do - definately.
when i threw my best in 2000 i only threw in training when i saw JT and that was once a week or so and i didn't feel the need to go out and throw every track night at the club - i only threw there when i felt really up for a throwing session and was literally gagging to throw - they were always great sessions when i did that.
many top class heavy throwers throw very often - everyday in many cases, but javelin throwers can't really due to the harshness [is that a word!?] of the event.
i mentioned that i don't think people do enough throwing and in particular competition style throws - these are the type of throws i don't think people do enough of, i'm not sure practise makes perfect but it sure does make you better at it. Doing lots of easy throws off just a few steps won't make you better at throwing a javelin far imo, it's a useful tool in warming up for fuller throws and working on particular aspects of throwing, but it's a totally different throw to that of a competition style throw....practise competition style throws and you'll get better at competition throws, practise easy throws and you'll get better at easy throws!
i know what i'll be practising in an hour or so!
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Post by slinger on Dec 13, 2007 19:05:59 GMT 1
another point i'll add that i was thinking about when i was throwing today was that when i was young and learning the event i improved a lot by just going out and throwing hard all the time and not really getting caught up in what i was doing - of course i had the bare basics sorted like number of x overs etc, but the more i threw the better i just got.
experienced athletes who are tinkering with things and fine tuning things can afford to take it easy, as they have the experience and background to be able to afford a break from hard throwing, but in my experience for those who have only been throwing a short while and are learning the event i feel they should throw hard and often - certainly not having a break from the end of the season till after christmas imo.
you know, we've [or i have rather] said in the past that i don't see that many people that have great run ups who are really comfortable with what they are doing and really do run in and hit a strong block and this imo is because they don't or mustn't practice throwing off a full run up.
i think at times it's great to just go out and not think about the event too much when we throw, just have a clear mind and "feel" the event, learn the rhythm of what you are doing - try and lose the contrived nature, which most of our throwing is. Good throwing isn't one of step by step thoughts, it's one of emotion, belief and instinct.
just my thoughts! all imo of course ;D
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