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Post by wez on Jun 8, 2007 17:01:10 GMT 1
Interesting.... i don't think thats my trouble though as i do eat enough salt in my diet and only very rarely get cramps and thats usually when i've been training like a maniac. The trouble only ever occurs when i put my plant leg down, i can even jump off it which you would think is high impact but then again i wear trainers or sprint spikes then which makes me think even more its my jav boots that are the problem
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Post by Tezzykins on Jun 8, 2007 18:55:30 GMT 1
I once had Achilles tendonitus
The best thing is lots of rest and Anti imflamitary tablets. You will find when you apply a lot of force to it it can hurt and become weak and shaky.
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Post by Patience on Jun 8, 2007 19:11:06 GMT 1
It wasn't cramps as yo'd know it, just micro cramps. The only noticeable symptom was my achilles were very very sore. I'd spent several year going to and from physios. The general consensus was I must be some kind of nutcase as it only happened in the summer (and that included in the years when I didn't train or throw). It wasn't until someone pointed out that I didn't really have any salt in my diet that I tried adding it to drinks and the achilles markedly improved within a couple of days.
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Post by wez on Jun 8, 2007 19:19:50 GMT 1
Its good that you sorted it then, but how did you not have salt in your diet? Its in so many things, fish, meat bannanas, celery etc I wish it was that simple for me- you could say it only occurs in the summer in my case too- but thats because i only thorw jav in the summer ;D tx Tez i'm already applying anti inflamatory cream directly to it and ice etc- run out of ibuprofen last weekend though after i first annoyed it- better get some more.
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Post by Patience on Jun 8, 2007 19:47:53 GMT 1
Don't cook with salt, don't add salt to any food and don't eat celery or fish.
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Post by Tezzykins on Jun 8, 2007 20:17:41 GMT 1
If you rest up well and just work on some upper strength work you will be back in about a monthish
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Post by sam on Jun 8, 2007 21:03:29 GMT 1
i can't believe how bad the asics cyber boots seem to be
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Post by dobster on Jun 9, 2007 12:48:24 GMT 1
It wasn't cramps as yo'd know it, just micro cramps. The only noticeable symptom was my achilles were very very sore. I'd spent several year going to and from physios. The general consensus was I must be some kind of nutcase as it only happened in the summer (and that included in the years when I didn't train or throw). It wasn't until someone pointed out that I didn't really have any salt in my diet that I tried adding it to drinks and the achilles markedly improved within a couple of days. Norma - interesting one this - I had roughly similar problems when I first got to Iraq. Ok it was 48 degrees C it wasn't the achilles tendon (right shoulder actually in the rotator cuff area), but was told to drink tonic water - 1 can a day - reason is that it has quninnine in it and that apparently helps with cramps - tried and it worked - although I have not seen much research on that tbh - it wasn't a fluid intake thing as I was already drinking 5-6l per day.
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Post by Patience on Jun 9, 2007 15:32:03 GMT 1
I have heard of a few people who take tonic water to help with cramps. None of the physios I had seen over the years had suggested cramps (probably because it was not a cramp like symptom) and when I mention it to physios now they shake their heads in puzzlement. Like you I drink plenty during the day. However, I have gone from chronic (from April to September every year) and at times extremely painful (in the mornings the slightest touch would make me wince and I sometimes had to sleep with my legs off the end of the bed so the duvet wouldn't touch it) achilles problems since 1999 to hardly any bother at all, unless I stop taking the salt solution.
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Post by pdk on Jun 9, 2007 17:06:55 GMT 1
Wes, I had exactly the same trouble (many years ago) caused by new Adidas boots which were very high and pushed in on the tendon when planting the left foot. It became very painful indeed, causing me to bomb out in Commonweath Games trials. After cutting a slit down the back (to the top of the heel) I never had a problem again. 4 weeks later with a mended tendon and I was ranked 2nd in the Commonwealth but not there of course- too late. I know it seems drastic to cut a pair of boots, but it worked for me. From extremely painful, to never having a problem again proved the point!
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Post by wez on Jun 10, 2007 22:03:24 GMT 1
cheers for adding that- it really does seem like the boots may be the issue. I would be so happy to see the end of the problem my fingers are crossed that you guys are right!
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Post by carrie on Jul 20, 2008 20:34:17 GMT 1
Help ! I think I am suffering from a similar problem with my Asics javelin boots. But this is happening to my right achilles, and I cannot roll off my crossover quickly enough and get into the plant and drive up into the throw. Despite icing and doing drills and speedwork (not huge quantities - too old now!) in trainers, it has got worse this weekend. This is so frustrating - I have worked hard on getting a decent longer run up where I can control the speed and the technique this year, and I have my major comp a week tomorrow at the European Masters. I am going to see my physio tomorrow, but apart from slicing my jav boots (which I plan to do to an old pair), does anyone have a quick coping fix to see me through for next Monday? I do plan to stay off my feet - I should be winding down my training anyway, and I am walking in shoes which have a bit of a heel to take the strain off.
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Post by Patience on Jul 20, 2008 21:25:27 GMT 1
Carrie, as you know, I can write a book and a half on achilles problems. If you can get a hold of Adidas Javelin Boots in Silver and Black in time, I can highly recommend them. They have a cut back heel. I take a size 6 shoe and the UK7 fits me Apart from that, icing and take drinks with salt in them (although add some sugar) and this may stop any additional cramping in that area. Good luck next week. I am sooooooooo jealous. I'd love to be in Slovenia, but a week tomorrow I am moving house - so please forgive me if I forget to text!!
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Post by carrie on Jul 20, 2008 22:29:47 GMT 1
Thanks Patience, but as we leave on Thursday, there is no time really to get a new pair of boots and wear them in a bit. I will think about the salt thing but I honestly don't think that is the issue - I use it in my cooking for flavour but not as a condiment on the finished item. It may be that I have to go off a short run up with less speed and (as long as I get through to the last 8) perhaps go off a full run up for the last 2 or 3 throws. Anyway, good luck with the house move. I'll be in touch when we get back!
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Post by wez on Jul 21, 2008 8:50:16 GMT 1
Ok i know this is a bit late but, the achiles trouble was a result of my boots! i changed over to a pair of Adidas with cut away backs and as soon as the tendon had healed it has stayed healthy. I have also slit open the back of a couple of my other pairs of everyday shoes that were too restrictive. In the time you have left i don't think there is much you can do except try to get the inflamation down and just rest it. For the comp though it would help if you butchered your shoes a bit and try to be quicker off your right foot in the throwing base so it doesnt have to deal with the pressure. Good luck and buy yourself some nice low backed spikes when you get back.
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