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Post by JB on Mar 15, 2004 17:44:00 GMT 1
As a result of poor technique and over training i have a pain in my elbow that i could do with some advice on. I do have access to a physio but dont think this is worth bothering him about or the £25 !... as it may just be over use. I would however welcome any voices of experience on this just to make sure im not playing through something potentially more serious. When i throw the jav i get a pain on the bottom of my elbow between the point and outside right, its in the fleshy bit between the bones (im right handed). this is uncomfortable during the throw only and when massaged after.
More of a concern is a harsher aching pain in my bicep where it joins the elbow , this has the sensation of having a 'dead' arm and restricts me fully straightening the arm and hence affects the throw. Neither injury is expressly painfull and at the moment im treating it by resting the arm completely. I will also be using an elbow support to throw this weekend and help get some heat into it. Should i be more concerned or is this just overuse (upto 14 hrs training a week consitantly over winter) from a first season complete beginner who's arms not used to the action of spear bunging !
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Post by sarah on Mar 15, 2004 18:06:17 GMT 1
With anything that hurts when u throw the best thing to do is just have it checked out, i know it cost's money but it would put ur mind to rest. U may b right and its just where u r not used to using it as much or over training. But by seeing a physio he can tell u what u have done and give u ways to warm up the arm. By leaving it u could hurt urself even more and u don't want to miss the whole season.
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Post by tomd on Mar 15, 2004 21:04:39 GMT 1
JB, Iknow where you are coming from on this and I had the exact same problem. No harm in getting it checked out, but make sure you go to a decent sports physio who has a lot of experience in dealing with sports related injuries.
The pain you refer to is overuse, but also down to poor technique, commonly you are separating at the moment of your throw. ie in your plant position, your chest is moving down (rather than up) and you are not rotating the shoulder joint causing excessive force on the bicep and elbow joint. The remedy is not that simple and requires a decent coach to watch your throw. To try and explain:
- Try not to open the left side to early ie in the plant position the left arm should be wrapped across the line of the body and when you throw, the left arm should aim to push away, slightly up and pull the left chest upwards.
- as you do the above, the right foot should have have rotated to force the hip through so your chest and hips face virtually forward.
- Your throwing arm needs to remain relaxed, the arm (at the shoulder joint) should rotate (palm facing inwards) and you need to lead with the elbow (imagine the forearm pulling along the length of the bicep), finishing with a tricep extension that rotates the hand so the palm faces outwards.
- It also helps to have a fixed sight line. Forward of the throwing area and above the track ie a tall tree at the far end of the stadium.
Hope the above helps (if you can understand what I have said). To get a visual picture, wtach the top throwers in their final positions and they all do roughly the same action.
Tom
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Post by sam on Mar 16, 2004 0:15:29 GMT 1
I think that this image shows what tom is talking about
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Post by beepee on Mar 16, 2004 10:25:44 GMT 1
Just a couple of pointers. If the pain is on the outside of the elbow(tennis elbow) then this is usually caused by over whipping the arm after the throw ie, if you extend your arm out fully palm down and then turn your thumb quickly downwards to the floor, this is the type of action that you are over doing when the jav has gone (hence tennis serve). If the pain is on the inside(medial) part of the elbow then you are round arming the action as Tom describes. Either way the pain is caused by "arming" the jav rather than using the body with good technique, a classic symptom when starting out. Ease back on the effort and concentrate more on the tech and distance will increase just the same.
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Post by sam on Mar 16, 2004 10:37:53 GMT 1
i have missed some of my winter sessions due to a seriously over worked anconeous muscel (rotator muscle in forearm) and from what BeePee has said i can fully understand how i managed to over work the muscle. i'm only 2 weeks back into my training and i'm now chasing to get back into shape (i tore my hamstring 2 months ago... )
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Post by Administrator on Mar 16, 2004 16:58:41 GMT 1
Looking at the series of Makarov throwing, it seems like he is putting an enormous pressure on the javelin towards the midline of his body. As he lets go, you can see the wave in the javelin. Is this just due to the massive force the jav is under or is he slightly dragging the javelin as he releases?
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Post by Lovett on Mar 16, 2004 17:37:48 GMT 1
I'd say it's those dame Nemeths, (which is still winning in the fav jav poll ) it cant take the force of the throw, I've never seem him touch one since the Nordic Carbons have been around.
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Post by tomd on Mar 16, 2004 20:38:22 GMT 1
Looking at the series of Makarov throwing, it seems like he is putting an enormous pressure on the javelin towards the midline of his body. As he lets go, you can see the wave in the javelin. Is this just due to the massive force the jav is under or is he slightly dragging the javelin as he releases? Its the amount of force he is correctly putting through the spear. Probably switched to carbons as the have less flex and give greater distance performance when thrown correctly
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Post by JB on Mar 19, 2004 12:50:13 GMT 1
Thanks to everyone for the help, i went to see physio after resting it for two weeks and he said it was tendonitis in the bicep and nothing expressly worry about..... and he was right i through last night for first time in a while, didnt try and used a gash club jav just trying to adapt my technique in responce to the problems you outlined and bam a new pb .... still crap a new pb (35.65)never the less but 75cm further than previous and almost 8m further than august last year when i first picked up a spear. and it came out like a dream and didnt feel like i had thrashed it as hard as i could either ! thanks again for the tips especially TomD.. goddam it this websites good ;D
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Post by SCater on Mar 19, 2004 15:57:16 GMT 1
Hey JB stop putting your PB down, 35.65m isnt crap, you have to start somewhere. The more you train the better youll get. The distance will come all in good time ;D
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Post by Renna on Mar 19, 2005 19:57:03 GMT 1
I have only been throwing the javelin for a few months and my pb with the 600g jav was 45 metres. After starting training with the 700g jav i feel as if i have starined my elbow! Could this have anything to do with a lack of technique?
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