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Post by Administrator on Apr 27, 2004 12:16:43 GMT 1
Sam,
I haven't looked at these until now but I thought I'd give you my feedback anyway. Its strange that your runup looks very much like that of Sam Harrisons. I cannot really comment on your body position and throwing action but your approach starts well and its not until the last 3 steps that you appear to slow and tail off to the left. Sam H and I both do this same thing and I have noticed that when he and I are more direct in our approach, the distance tends to increase. Hope that helps, I'm not sure what to suggest to correct it but I always try and think about heading towards the right corner of the runway on my last 3 steps to help to keep me straight.
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Post by SCater on Apr 28, 2004 2:16:25 GMT 1
i know i slow down alot, but i think thats due to habit (a bad one at that) as during in the U15/U17 i was soo reliant on brute force to put the javelin out...im still throwing around the same distance's now as i was in my first year of U20 (between 45m - 53m) 4-5 years stuck on the same distance is a bit.....well annoying. my goals for this year are pretty realistic but i am having a really late start to the season...my first comp wont be untill the 5th June the 2nd midlands mens leagues meeting. here are my goals for this season actually use the speed from a run up a new PB so anything over 53.35m will be great, if im throwing 47-49m off 1-3 strides a big throw will be in there somewhere if i get a run up right. and to be able to throw consistantly 50+m this is the list of distances from all my comps last year, this apart fromthe first one start of season and the 44.98m (1step throw due to injured ankle) i am fairly consistent with my distance but i want that little bit more (everybody does ;D) - 46.18m
- 49.16m
- 49.03m
- 50.28m
- 47.87m
- 50.09m
- 44.98m
- 48.15m
- 49.31m
- 49.34m
i really need someone to go through the stages of a run up with me, as all the stuff ive picked up has been from books and videos....i dont find the video's very helpful, in that it cant be there when you are actually throwing. i think it helps so much more if you have someone showing you what youve got to do, because i find learing by example easier to remember i will be doing alot more throwing in training now as ive just found out as long as the track isnt being used i can go down to the abbey stadium and throw ;D ;D free of charge which is a bonus. ive been doing down on my club training nights an hour or 2 early so i can do some training, then i can coach during club time. keep the comments coming the feedback ive had has been great thank you
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Post by MichelleG on Apr 28, 2005 18:37:47 GMT 1
I have been doing javelin for 3 years now without a proper coach. I need some tips on my last 3 strides. They are very short and I lose speed towards the release
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Post by ncb2 on May 1, 2005 11:07:05 GMT 1
There is a good group in birmingham who throw on sunday mornings as well as club nights. Why not contact birchfield harriers.
Just noticed that you posted this last April! If still in Bromsgrove, give brum a try if you like. Tyson Johnson, Beckie Bartlette and Jo Blair train together there and u can use the high performance centre!
NCB
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Post by sam on May 1, 2005 14:45:06 GMT 1
Nigel,
I think that SamC would appreciate the offer to train there...he is quite tallented and deserves to be throwing a lot further than he does. I am in a similar position as him although i managed to draft in a fellow thrower who is also a coach to help me out with my group as her training nights are different.
I have full confidence in her ability to assist my group and to be honest i think that my group are really lucky to have 2 coaches that are basically singing from the same hymn sheet and having a good effect...
SAM GO TO BIRMINGHAM THROW FAR
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Post by SCater on May 1, 2005 15:19:04 GMT 1
Thanx for that. Ill have to get in contact with Birchfield harriers ;D
And Sam ill see you on Monday at Cheltenham and anyone else thats going
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Post by ncb2 on May 2, 2005 12:44:57 GMT 1
If you don't mind me saying, I would like to offer you some food for thought.
Your main problem (as I see it from the video) is that you don't set the throw up properly by achieving a suitable start position from the withdrawal phase. I am not sure how many cross overs you did but Steve Backley does quite a few as do other good throwers.
Your hand is too low at withrawal which drops even further when you creae your lean back on the last stride. (which is where you create your angle any way). You create too much release angle and angle of attitude. From hereonin you are going to struggle to achieve bigger distances unless you get as stong as an ox and develop the power of a gymnast - and then you may seriously hurt yourself not to mention that you would throw further with the correct set up position.
I know 80m throwers who don't achieve that angle of release. The corect angle allows you to hit throuogh thepionts at o degrees angle of attack i.e through the point. Thus, the jav will have reduced air resistance (plantaform area) in the initial phase of the flight and will reach it's turning point later rather than sooner. This is why a stalled javelin doesn't usually go as far.
Much of what other coaches have written is correct but all good javelin throwers are athletic and you have to design a programme that allows you to develop this. I still sling a few around these days and can standing throw nearly as much as when I was on top of my game but I have lost my athletic ability (temporarily I hope) and lost 20m or so! There are many bad ways to throw reasonably well but all the top throwers share similar release parameters ie low angle of attaks 35 - 40 degree angle of release and 29 m/s plus release speed.
They achieve this using a variety of techniques but achieve the basics through one way or another. Maybe we should all think about this to improve our distances. I know I didn't realize my potential but don't think I ever put myself in a position to achieve this, thus, have no regrets... just happy to inflict my thoughts onto others!!!
Good luck mate!
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Post by beepee on May 2, 2005 23:38:23 GMT 1
For those that do not know NCB he was an 80m+ thrower who has been there, seen it and done it and he is an excellent coach too albeit he is Welsh but everyone has setbacks, lol. It is great to have your expertise on the forum Nigel and I bow to your omnipitence except that you still cant pull a decent pint. ;D You can give us the insights into what it is like to perform on the Intenational stage and everything leading up to it. Saw your protege throw the Junior League record last weekend in south Leeds you must be doing something right down there in the darkest bowels of Brummy land. Look forward to your posts and some of that Welsh humour? ? , decent sun glasses too what more can one man posess. Hope you are keeping well.
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Post by MichelleG on May 3, 2005 18:50:26 GMT 1
Thanks for that. I will contact them and see when they are having their training sessions. I have been there for a few training days and found it quite helpful. I won the open at the Dell stadium a few weeks ago so I can't be doing that bad but it would be nice to have a bit more coaching.
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Post by smee on Jul 6, 2005 21:34:33 GMT 1
I'm also looking for a coach. Been throwing for a couple of years ut only ever train for 2 months a year. my PB is around 55m but i don't have an effective run up. I can throw the same distance using 1 step. I'm 16 years old and the kent champ bt i think i have alot more potential that maybe a coach could realise. Cheers alex
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