Seeking a Coach

[SCater]

Hi

Im in a bit of a ditch at the mo with my throwing, i think ive done as much as i can on my own and im stuck again in and around the high 40's low 50's.

tonight in training......
1 stride 45m
3 crossovers 45-47m
full run 47m every time. and i can do that allllllllll night weather it be a fast or slow run up.

starting to get a bit annoyed as no matter what i do, i can not get further than 47m in training.

im missing something VERY important in my run up if i can do a few crossovers and get just as far as a full run up. i can not see what i am missing.

I know im out on my timing during the run up but thats due to no throwing for a few weeks ill get that back.

if theres any coaches/other throwers willing to give one or 2 training nights to give me some pointers id be most greatful.

Would training on your own be a factor?(as ive trained by my self along with coaching a group for about 2-3 years now) could it be that i may be holding back, no reason to push that little bit more and its all in my screwed up head ?

[Lovett]

Your welcome to come down to Enfield for a session, bit far but it might be useful.

Over the next few weeks when we all start throwin in the evening it will be me, susie, nmack, aaronh, a good junior girl, gamey often comes down as well and a few others.

Its hard trainin on your own, everyone needs input from a coach....if you cant always get access to a coach then video yourself, then you can watch it back and also show it to a coach.

My coach (Coach Woff) disapears and leaves me for most of the summer.....which at that time aint to bad as all my works been done over the winter and its a matter of competiting, funny enough i usually throw better when his gone....his been away for the last two weeks and i P.B'd on Friday, so he might see me P.B again before he disapears for the summer.

Regarding the not throwin far in training business, i myself cant throw in trainin (well at enfield anyway). When i'm at enfield i dont do much full-run stuff because the tracks dreadful and it aint no good on my ankle, but from about 5-6 steps i would find it hard to throw 60m....which in a competition somethin clicks and throwin 60m is simple.

But think if you wanna come down one evening, but videoing is also very useful for the time.

[SCater]

130mile is a bit far to travel for me,not so much the distance but the money which i havent got lol...... but what days do you train? ill have to have a think about it. thank you for the offer ;D

I think i do just need some external input because i am obviously going wrong somewhere if i can put out 47m bang on all the time no matter what i do.

[beepee]

Another pair of eyes is a must or if thats not possible then you need to do what Anthony says and video it and keep monitoring your throws. Dont expect too much from your run up just yet anyhow as you said yourself that you have not really done much work on it and even the most experienced throwers struggle with it early on in the season. I dont know if that icon on your posts is you but if it is then the most striking thing to hit you is that the jav angle is way off and you can make a big difference straight away by getting to work on that. Everyone gets in to the "plateau" mode where things dont seems to progress very much but if you are throwing near the fifty mark now then with a little help you will get the extra distance you want. Geography is a major problem and there are very few coaches on the ground and it makes for a hard life. Dont overdo the run up keep it simple and rhytmical and concentrate on being aggressive into the throwing stride and if things break down then take it back to a few steps and build things back up again. It is hard to throw on your own and especially if you are coaching as well ask me about it I can throw 40mtr no problem off standing but tag a run on? entirely different. If it is any consulation then know that Mick is also struggling with his run up just yet and this is what we are working on at present but he has that other pair of eyes and that is me. I know its a long journey for you but once in a while it would be of great benefit to you to train with Ant and his lot they are a squad of good throwers and some of it will rub off. Dont despair cos everyone one else out there has their own problems you are not alone by no means but you will get there in the end, talent always does.

[Gamey]

Try to get to Enfield if you can.
You would also be welcome to come to Ware but as the distance is virtually the same i think the feedback from Enfield would be better.
If you have a decent video camera you could e-mail a short clip to a coach or any other.
Could you post it on this web site?? You'd get plenty of feedback then. Don't know if this is viable though.

Anthony kindly filmed myself & Alistair from our club recently which was e-mailed to our coach. I was working with Alistair last night & the feedback from both was invalueable. Really raised his awareness.

Nothing like working with others though.

[Lovett]

Yeah its far but even once in a while would be benificial....we train on a tuesday and thurday.

Me, Susie and Woff have got so much video equipemt now when could probably start a movie....so if you were to come down you would have a good session anyway but also i could put loads of stuff on a CD e.g video clips, slow mo clips, still images, frame pics etc and this stuff would see you though for a while....also you could put it on the site, i'm sure the others would help.

[SCater]

thanx everyone.
i know everyone hits a plateau, but ive been stuck here for a couple of seasons now.

beepee that is me in the pic, taken almost 5 years ago lol sooo thankfully im not that bad anymore.

i have got a few clips of me throwing but they are terrible, just getting back after ankle injury 2 years ago. very slow, no timing and point way too high. To be honest they are more or less brute force to get them out nothing more lol more or less no technique

if i can convert them to a smaller file ill try and post them up at some point for you all to have a laugh ;D

[Susie]

Yeah come down to Enfield!

[SCater]

heres a couple of clips of me throwing

the files are huge sooo people on slower connections it may take awhile to load up. i couldnt compress them anymore without loosing picture quality

they were taken about 2 seasons ago id just got back into competing after knocking my ankle out of alignment dont ask me how i did it, i just managed to do it lol.

the technique if you can call it that is pretty bad, very slow...these are the best clips out of 4 concidering how bad it looks both throws were over 50m

first clip from the back 2nd from the side. notice the tail drop lol altough im not that bad now i still gotta work on that

foofighter.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sam/jav1.mpeg

foofighter.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sam/jav3.mpeg


if you cant load them up dont worry your not missing much lol

enjoy and dont be too harsh with the comments

[JB]

i dont know what an invalid syntax is but its stoppng me looking at the clips !

[Gamey]

I've opened them ok - took a while to download them though (broadband connection).

[Mack]

Not too bad....

What I would say is pick your knees up more and move the legs quicker.

Push out the right arm further back and turn the wrist up and overand you need to keep the arm up at the back.

Should make a lot of difference.

Hope it helps

[beepee]

Heres my two penny worth Sam, its not all that bad the release position apart from the low tail/arm is ok and thats how you are cracking 50`s out. Problems I see are too many crossovers (6) and the snaking twist of the "run off" which is caused by your head leaning in towards the jav and the backside sticking out, how to fix? put two chalk mark crosses down about a metre apart for your throwing stride for the off "left foot on to left foot plant" ie, so that you left foot has to hit the first cross on the jump off and land on the second cross on the left plant of the block, this will sort out the snaking bit but before all of this try to adjust to four crossovers (better rythmn and less strain on the body/arm) and stick out your chest (lift it up) which will pull in your backside also a key point here is to tilt your head so that your left earole is nearer to your left shoulder(away from the jav) rather than at present it is tilted so that your right ear is near your right shoulder and inwards towards the javelin, if that makes sense which is causing nearly all of the problems. Obviously all of this is going to feel weird to you cos you are in new territory but with a bit of drilling/perserverence you will improve dramatically. Good luck and keep the arm high, which will be easier if you adapt to the above.

[SCater]

thanx for the tips

ill give them a go tonight

[SCater]

well i only got in 30mins of throwing tonight as i was coaching for most of it, but the bit that i did do must have been the best ive done in a while. felt so relaxed and loose, but that probably had something to do with hour long flexibility session that i did yesterday ;D

the track was slippy and i only had my sprinting spikes with me (couldnt be bothered to run to car and get my boots) so i worked on the few points you posted mainly keep the arm high during the throw, and the quick high knees.

only worked off 3 strides

was putting out around 49-50m ;D. but i wasnt having to put as much effort into them with my arm as i normally do, they just flew out it felt great. I was pulling my left shoulder round slightly which pulled the javelins out the left of the sector but thats something i know i can fix, just from lack of throwing.

Then i had a few goes with 700g ;D got around 55m, really felt the hips push through when i got my knees higher. Even one of the other guys that throws said it looked smoother and not as high

i got something to work on now thanx Coaches ;D