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Post by Caroline on Oct 25, 2009 20:34:03 GMT 1
Exactly. JT isnt going to get the job, no matter how much people rant and rave on here. End of. I would have thought that you should be looking to support whoever gets the job.
I have watched Shelley coach, and quite simply she is good at it. She's been to more major champs than you have club matches, Sam, so I don't think you can knock her experience.
Also, the job is not just about being a coach... why can't you see that? Oh... and please dont imply that you speak for all of the javelin community because you dont. This is a forum for which you are one of the administrators, and as an admin, what you say is not representative of my views or, I'm sure, of a great many other javelin people. You may be able to contact quite a few people who are interested in javelin, but in terms of power base, I think UKA may just have the edge.
And finally, you can attack Shelley all you want on here, but she is unable to answer as she works for UKA. That would be like you going on a police forum and spouting off about what happens at work for you. Your comments are as Slinger says, disrespectful.
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Post by sam on Oct 26, 2009 0:13:22 GMT 1
i feel so strongly about it that I quit! good luck to you all in the mess which is being created!
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Post by nije on Oct 26, 2009 11:48:14 GMT 1
I think what Sam is saying and in his defence is that what many of us have said to each other that there are better people in place. Caroline, it is OK to point out that shelley coaches a girl who went to the para's but there are quite alo0t of us out ther that have done that as well. I coach someone who where there is only one other person in their event in this country. Wales has one of the strongest programmes apparently and they basically all train out of UWIC/CArdiff but coaching para's an able bodied is different in so much that one of them has very few participants as good as they are.
As far as I know and has been discussed by others as well is that shelley has not coached for long and not many so it is difficult to relay your coaching experiences in a mentoring role when you have little coaching exp. I am surprised nobody has mentioned fatima who has a wealth of experience when we talk about females or even tessa if she isn't too busy elsewhere. I am sure shelley would be a competent person but my feeling and one that has been expressed to me in my recent talks with senior coaches as well as junior ones is that there are better people out there. Unless they all turned it down. I wasn't there but I heard from several sources (includig othre females so it is not a sexist thing) she did herself no favours and was out of her depth at the thing Sam was talking about.
Another point is that I also am surprised there are few women in this porcess - but also when you look around very few women coach top athletes. This has to be reversed. We need more female coaches and not that I agree with much of what caroline has to say at the best of times(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) some women cannot be coached the same as men and I alswyas have believed having been a teacher for 20 years or so - that females are better suited to teaching females in sport i.e. I have rarely come across a male PE teacher teaching women's PE - so on that basis I would say there would be merits to shelley being appointed as the jav mentor, but I would have thought the excellent Caroline Franks, Tessa or fatima are names that would stand before her in the pecking order but I have a feeling all three would have declined - so on that basis I would have no problem with it - (shelley's appointment that is)however, it has gone to tim now - who is good but again i would have thought a few people would have been offered it before him - JT being the obvious one.
As i have always siad - we should support and accept whoever is appoint and try and work together or not if the case should be!
JUSt as an asside, Malcolm Fenton is the hammer mentor buit I thknk you will fid that he has not coached a hammer thrower of note but has coached mark proctor and did a great job when he was appointed and has alot of experience ot share so we should not get too hung up on indivudual performances as athletes to be related to coaching ability and delivery
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Post by Caroline on Oct 26, 2009 13:00:46 GMT 1
I have no idea whether Shelley is being considered for the job, or has even applied for it. My point was that Sam had made a personal attack on someone who because of who she works for cannot comment on a public forum. This I felt was malicious and uncalled for, on the basis of a rumour from someone else. You can have a go at me if you wish, but I'm quite capable of reacting and defending myself.
None of us are qualified to comment on who is suitable or not, as to my knowledge we don't have the job spec or the inside knowledge of what sort a person UKA are looking for.
Until such a person is appointed, I suggest we refrain from reacting to rumour and gossip, particularly when individual names are being thrown into the pot.
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Post by slinger on Oct 26, 2009 13:42:42 GMT 1
Exactly Caroline - hence my initial post.
It looks like Sam has deleted his account on this forum??? - very bizarre.
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Post by nije on Oct 26, 2009 13:49:19 GMT 1
Again, I was not having a go at shelley or anyone but just putting a case forward for a few people and also airing my views that it is strange that there are few women coaches and also why hasn't fatima's name ever seem to come up? I agree that we shouldn't be having a go at anyone and support who ever is appointed. I think the lack of unity in the sport is one off the main things killing it!
Good luck to Tim as well I am sure he will do a good job
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Post by katy on Oct 26, 2009 14:02:53 GMT 1
I think there are more female coaches than you think, they just don't get the recognition or respect they deserve as proven here whenever Shelly's name is mentioned. I think it is great that Shelly has decided to put her skills and experiences back into the sport and I would be in full support of whatever she decides to do.
I believe female coaches are very underated. I, for one, would not still be throwing if it wasn't for my female coach. It is not always what skills/knowledge you have but also your ability to form relationships with your athletes and to instill confidence and an ability to perform. My coach is one of many female coaches that deserves a whole lot more than she gets
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Post by nije on Oct 26, 2009 18:24:34 GMT 1
I couldn't agree more with you. She has done a good job and has been doing so for a while now and she is a very nice lady as well. I had a good chat with her at the uk school games!
I also think that recognition comes with success as well... eventually. I hope Sam is kidding about his quitting thing. He's only young and I'm sure the opps will come eventually but I do appreciate his frustration and tried to explain what I thought he was thinking in my first post. I have had several athles go to commonwealth european, world, school, students, junior and senior level since 2001 and never have I been asked to go on any of the teams and if you read other forums you would think I was embedded within the system.
We cannot loose the likes of Sam to go off and do his own thing, he needs as does Caroline, Shelley, Tim, John, Dave, George Brian, Wynford Algenon etc as they all have something to offer and I think we are stronger as a collective than in assorted parts.
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Post by jeremy on Oct 26, 2009 23:41:39 GMT 1
While this thread is about Big Bob, it is interesting to note that there is so much power avaliable to an unelected body of people who probably aren't thinking that much further than the closing ceremony of 2012, maybe a quick trip to the palace to pick up a gong. Then we'll be in the same place we are now!
A quick word about Shelley Hollroyd: she is a magnificent coach. I am forever ringing up various coaches (you know who you are and thanks!), as I am commited to providing the highest levels of service to those that I train with and help. Shelley has given acouple of superb tips (not to be found in any text book), that have had immediate impact on those that I throw with.
Her people skills and communication skills are of the highest standard. All females I coach have her number and I can't think of a better role model for any young female athlete, or indeed as a mentor for any thrower or coach who wants to improve.
She always has time, always listens, in fact I'll make an important distinction here; she always ACTIVELY listens and then tries to help. When she doesn't know the answer she gets back to you with it. She's one of the most delightful human beings in our sport.
That of course is just my opinion, but it is probably not too distant from fact !!!
The best ever piece of advice is still a gem from The Slinger though !!!!
Jeremy
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