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Post by sam on Feb 5, 2006 17:16:01 GMT 1
Saturday was one of those training sessions where nothing seems to go right..well ok one thing was going right then the rest was terrible..
the only good thing to take from my session was that when walking up and down the middle throwing i was just popping the spear up in the air and it was going straight and about 45m ish off a very light bit of footwork..
get on the run-up and every throw was turning like it had been thrown from the right hand straight of the track....... even when i consciously tried to hit it down the right it would do the same.. my legs felt dead.. my arm was rubbish and the flight was terrible
i still managed a 50m throw off 5 steps but all in all it was a pile of poo
the session was so bad i launched my javelin boots over the fence like a child spitting it's dummy out of the pram... to be fair my base was great my hip strike was awesome and my arm was so well delayed that the boots went further than i anticipated...
a call to The Jog Shop in brighton is needed to get me a new pair ASAP
oh the peaks and trough's of javelin throwing
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Post by Mack on Feb 5, 2006 22:24:00 GMT 1
Don't worry about having bad sessions... I just got back from Birmingham with Peter Y mistaking me for the whale in the Thames , both Peter and Steve pulled my fitness and throwing to bits yesterday, and then Peter and Mick did the same today with the throwing and the quadrathon... another thing Peter said was that I seem to 'open' (when throwing) earlier than his local news agent. After I finished throwing, Mick stopped me and showed me a couple of little things...made the whole weekend worth it. So big thanks there. Keeping tall in the arm chest hips, and hitting the hip etc. I then carried on for about 35mins and started to understand something I do wrong, and also feel how to do it right. The point... even though is long, is, You have to have bad days, to make you think about what you are doing and get it better. Then when you do... it will be better and you throw further. I have looked at the video and even though I hurt so so much, I would go and throw now (if the track was open) just to try and get it right. Chin up... (actually, head up, arm up and chest up as well) ;D
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Post by robyn06 on May 22, 2006 11:55:25 GMT 1
I Can't get my hips through and i'm loosing distance. It's sooooo annoying
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Post by jeremy on May 22, 2006 13:27:41 GMT 1
If you're right handed, use your right foot as the trigger for your hips.
When you arrive at your throwing position, both feet on the ground with your throwing arm back, all momentum going forward, "kick the foot of your roght heel out fast or stub out an imaginery cigar", this will force your right hip into the throw.
Stand in front of the mirror, sideways on, in the throwing position with your throwing arm back and the "imaginery javelin's tip" in line with your right eye. With bouncy feet, kick your right heel out fast.
Send me a PM with your email address and I'll mail you back a clip of Jan Zelezny doing this drill.
All the best
Jeremy
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Post by robyn06 on May 22, 2006 16:22:09 GMT 1
Hi, my email address is robynandcaysi@tiscali.co.uk
and if u go on msn it's rjade_@hotmail.com
Yeah i can get my hips through on a standing throw and i can throw more than half of my pb but i just can't seem to get it right on the run up!!!!
So annoying but it's a technical event
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Post by Patience on May 22, 2006 17:33:09 GMT 1
Not to worry, Robyn, my pb with a run up is about 4m further than just with an impulse stride . When I really get my run-up right, I can wipe 10m off my throws! Someone will get you sorted!
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Post by slinger on May 22, 2006 18:29:55 GMT 1
i like the idea of jeremy's "stubbing out a cigar"
to successfully get the right hip to work it should begin to work prior to the left contacting - once the left contacts the job of the right hip is done, any other attempt to use the hip will be time wasted and end up being arm and hip together, it must be hip then the upper body.
the position you need to be in is one where at final right foot contacting the ground the left foot must be further forward than the right and the right foot ideally should be pointing at 2 o clock [if 12 is straight on and 6 being behind] this puts the hip in a position to be able to strike - how you strike is up to you different thought process' work for different people you could think of stubbing out the cigar as jeremy said, kicking the right heel out or even dropping the right knee - all these will help in the goal of an early right hip strike, BUT whatever you do do ensure it's asap from the right foot landing to beginning to work, it's so important you don't land on the right foot heavy, sink and then try to work it as you'll have lost mega time, the key to it working as quick as possible is 1. on run off/impulse [whatever you call it] you go "in" and not just up in the air 2. land with the left foot advanced of the right 3. the right foot lands just forward of your centre of gravity 4. you land on the ball of your right foot and stay there [not sink to the flat of the foot]............do all these and you'll work the right hip very well and prior to the left foot contacting for the block........an early right hip strike does so many things in the throw it initiates the throwing sequence, drives you into your block and as a result you'll block better this in turn allows better transfer of run speed up the body and into the jav.
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Post by ironbrew on May 22, 2006 20:50:54 GMT 1
If anybody is interested I have a series of still I have take off Zelezny's world record throw from Sheffield, these clearly shows the sequence of actions from run off through to plant and release, if you have windows picture manager it make a good animated sequence. The Bio-mechanics study done of the 1995 world champs by Klaus Bartonietz, Russell J Best and Anders Borgstrom specifically states and I quote "most of the worlds top athletes displayed an active right leg after the impluse stride (shown by the right hip moving forward before the plant of the left foot, ground contact with the right foot at the moment of release). It has to happen vertually instantaniously, Zeleznys timing for the leg work in his 89.58 throw were Quote " right foot to left foot contact 0.16 sec, left foot contact to release 0.10sec, Backley's 86.30 throw timings were 022 sec and 0.12sec" As Slinger says an early right hip strike is one of the essentials of a long throw, also keeping the shoulders in line with the throw essential while all this is happening down below.
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Post by robyn06 on May 22, 2006 21:58:54 GMT 1
Has anyone got a vidio of Dave Ottley throwing?
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Post by slinger on May 23, 2006 13:36:44 GMT 1
ironbrew is spot on with that - mike i'd love to have jan's 95m from sheff for my "collection" and it's amazing after all these years i haven't even seen it nevermind got it!!!! can you post it on here??? i still think an archive section of top throwers from past and present would be a great idea......i've got quite a few of the more recent stuff [late 90's to today] and i know lasher has some golden oldies - hohn's 104m, petranoff's 99m, backley's first WR, ottley's silver from '84, i think he's even got seppo's 96m with the rought tail!!! it would be a great reference point for everyone. mike, the analysis from the worlds in 95 did you get it from "the thrower" magazine - possibly july 98 or somewhere around that time??? i've lost mine, any chance of a photo copy!!!!!! cheeky devil aren't i???!!!
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Post by robyn06 on May 23, 2006 19:48:14 GMT 1
Yeah Ottley only just missed silver. It was less than 1m. I think his best was 91? and he could throw over 66m with a standing throw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ironbrew on May 24, 2006 12:03:56 GMT 1
Hi Slinger, mine is a photo copy of the NSA covering Javelin and Discus, I am on holiday shortly (my wife said we are going away) but when I get back I will copy it, I can email you the stills I have done from Jan's 95 throw, if you have windows xl picture manager makes it into a nice slide show on the pc. If someone can give instruction I will post the video on the site. An archive would be ideal as studying the top thrower is one of the best ways to learn, something I realized early in my coaching carreer.
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Post by slinger on May 24, 2006 20:03:13 GMT 1
cheers mike........email - slingersharpe@hotmail.com i agree that watching and learning from videos of if possible from the people themselves is the very best way to learn and i always advocate that people do watch endless javelin on tape or internet or whatever - hence my strong feelings towards an archive of top throws.......i learned alot and improved the most in one season by watching a single throw of jan from the stockholm grand prix in 1996 over and over again, where it was a "adequate throw" by his great high standards of 88.20m! well any way it was the only throw i had on tape the whole of the winter of 96 and i watched it probably every day - i'll be honest id didn't understand why he did what he did but just knew i had to try and do the same - the main things being good acceleration on the run way - even, rhythmic X overs and especially this "thing he did with his right foot, were he dragged it along the ground" - i remember speaking to lasher on the phone and he'd just come back from a national squad w/end and he said he'd been watching vids of jan and was learning about "his active right hip strike" so in essence i'd learned the same thing, admittedly not knowing what it did but just knew it was the thing to do!!! so kids get watching some vids of the top guys and get learning!
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Post by robyn06 on May 30, 2006 16:41:06 GMT 1
Can anyone get me a vidio of Jan Selezney doing the driull for the hips
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Post by Administrator on May 30, 2006 16:54:21 GMT 1
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