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Post by Mack on Sept 7, 2005 19:33:12 GMT 1
I read the same article in AW as Phill about there are not athletes who win medals who may have good technique, but poor conditioning. I for one may be the opposite. I am probably the most unconditioned thrower for the distance I throw in the top 50uk.
As this may be true... my winter aim is to lose all that fat (maybe not all). I am 118kg now and I am going to be aiming to lose about 15kg this winter.
Any one got any ideas.... or know any sites that could help. (And I don't eat pizza, burgers, takeaway) Honest. I swear it was easier to give up the cigs than give up on all that nice food.
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Post by sam on Sept 7, 2005 20:11:28 GMT 1
I have lost since Feb this year 10kg....
just cut down the quantity of food i was eating and treat myself every now and then... do more activity too... seems to work for me..
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Post by Administrator on Sept 8, 2005 21:39:11 GMT 1
I guess this might sound obvious but theonly way to do it is get out there and run. If you can make yourself run 3 times a week for 2 weeks you'll start to feel guilty when you don't go.
All the sit ups in the world never made anyones stomach flat if theres a layer of cushioning on top. If running is uncomfartable, start with cycling and use cross-trainers to cut out the impact but try and add running on grass or tartan in once a week.
You've said yourself Neil that you're too heavy and to be honest if you were more "athletic" you'd be throwing that spear nearer to the 80m line. People have recently talked about Ashley Bryant the U15 guy who can do everything and this benefits his javelin. This also applies to Gerard Pash-Plunkett and even Dave Parker with his athletisism.
Again, by your own admission, you feel that you are one of the unfitest of the top 50 in the UK and you rank as one of our best prospects. being an athlete is what your main goal needs to be.
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Post by tomd on Sept 8, 2005 23:17:58 GMT 1
I read the same article in AW as Phill about there are not athletes who win medals who may have good technique, but poor conditioning. I for one may be the opposite. I am probably the most unconditioned thrower for the distance I throw in the top 50uk. As this may be true... my winter aim is to lose all that fat (maybe not all). I am 118kg now and I am going to be aiming to lose about 15kg this winter. Any one got any ideas.... or know any sites that could help. (And I don't eat pizza, burgers, takeaway) Honest. I swear it was easier to give up the cigs than give up on all that nice food. Neil, glad to see you have seen the light (from a fellow pie boy). A great site that is well worth a look is www.muscletalk.co.ukAlthough a fair chunk is devoted to performance supplements (of the not so legal kind) there is a wealth of information just on general firness training, diet & nutrition etc. Take some time and have a good look around the site. I can garuntee you will pick up some good information. Other than that get out and run both jogging and speed endurance on the track. I can pm you a great progressive session on the track that the mighty McNeill made me do - if you stick to it, eat sensibly and train hard you will loose that weight. Oh and finally it is all about calories in and calories out, not just about what you eat but how much!!
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Post by slinger on Sept 9, 2005 22:05:21 GMT 1
i agree with what tom has to say, that the calorie intake is far more important than actually what you eat when it comes to losing weight! people assume healthy eating will make them lose a few pounds no chance! i know people who have cut crap to eat pasta rice cereals potatoes etc but have really struggled to lose weight, simply because the volume of calorie consumption hasn't been lessened. a good tool is a cal counting book this will show you what food contains what cals good books also show grams of protein fat carbs etc so you can actually tailor meals to have a specific about of cals from each! mine even shows you how many cals you'll burn from various exercises. another tip is to use smaller plates!!!! [straight from women's own magazine!] if time will allow try to take smaller meals more spaced out through the day this helps your metabolism to keep working therefore you'll burn more cals resting!!! bonus! probably the biggest factor is beer!!!! ahhhhhhh something close to my heart! an average bottle of 5% lager contains around 100cals it's not rocket science but minus the beers and you're halfway there [not saying your a piss head!!! i buy a case of cans when we go shopping on a friday and there gone by weds or thurs] you could try Michelob ultra lager it's still 5% but only has something like 7cals!!!! but it's the best tasting stuff! vodka's meant to be very low cal! but coke isn't!!! diet coke is!!! basically it's all about being strict making a plan and sticking to it - consistency is the key! who do you train with and who coaches you now neil???
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Post by slinger on Sept 10, 2005 15:06:29 GMT 1
i meant to say michelob ISN'T the best tasting stuff i've sampled many a pint and to be honest i'd rather drink bicardi breezers [puffs drink! no it is!]
Please keep the topics javelin related, not X-rated
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Post by sam on Sept 10, 2005 15:10:39 GMT 1
I believe that Woff coaches Niel...same as woff coaches Ant lovett
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Post by JB on Sept 10, 2005 16:20:34 GMT 1
Hi All,
When i first started this jav malarky i was 21st. i actually dieted for 4 months just to get in shape enough not to be too embarased to turn up and train.
i had struggled with my weight for many years due a taste for the finer arts of beer and kebab. i had tried many a fad diet some of which worked and some of which didnt. when i decided back in april 03 to really give this a go i first tried atkins and to be fair lost a lot of weight quickly.... but mainly down the bog !!!!
the key problem with atkins was i found most of the wight loss was water loss and i also lost a lot of muscle bulk for some reason. but the facts were i lost 12lbs in a month on atkins, only coming off cos of the headaches and drowsiness i felt. i came off that and went onto the weightwatchers diet my then bird was on and found it was better. weightwatches 4 those who dont know is a points system devised to keep the amount of saturated fat and calories you eat down. this works great and its not rocket science... always remember no matter what anyone tells you, your body is a simple machine its energy in energy out, if the in is above the out your body stores it as fat.. that simple.
while on weightwatchers i ate sensibly and excersized everyday. felt great and managed to lose another 60lbs over the next year. but what i did find one specific problem. if i stuck to my diet and did heavy training i felt terrible and was always tired. but if i ate lots i could train harder. i faced an interesting choice as i was about to start a very hard winter of training inc training twice a day upto 6 times a week.
i decided to consult the professionals and got in touch with sheffield university and a chap called nigel mitchel who worked for the olympic team in athens as a nutritionist. i had to go do a whole battery of tests on my weight and fitness, log what i ate and then sit down and discuss my targets and needs. he then gave me diet that i stuck to religiously over that winter and i ws able to train hard and remained injury free and felt amazing.
basically the diet relies on hi g.i foods lots of protein after exersize and eating 6 times a day. it meant living a very regimented life and having to often eat and drink when i wasnt hungry but i def felt the affect. a typical day was as follows:
first thing: 1 pint orange juice
morning exersize
breakky: 1 pint water,and a 40g bowl of alpen
10:30am diet muller yogurt and 1 piece of fruit
lunch :4 x Riveta, 100g cottage chease, 1 peice of fruit or a flap jack, 1 peice fruit and ½-1pt of skimmed milk
Mid pm snack: Fruit
Pre training meal: Tuna, or fish, or meat, or omalate, with pasta or rice (4-5 table spoons)
After training: Alpen and 250ml of milk
(Ensure that you have at 1-2 pints of skimmed milk each day and drinkl loads of water)
this meant that your body had sufficient fuel to train but would actually have to turn to stocks and hence lose weight towards the end of the session. then when you eat immediatly after you stack in the protein and help the body build muslce.
weight loss on this diet was steady but my bpdy shape changed competely.. ask beepee my fat butt is waaay smaller than last year. i put inches on my shoulders and all my muscle measurments. i lost 10 inches off my gut now im 15st much quicjker than ever and carry far more muscle than before. its an excellent diet and i would recomend it to anyone and happily forward all the info i have if needed... but this is not for the faint hearted you need to be commited to get this to work... 3 weeks then a binge wont work. i keep a diary of my weight every 4 days so i can try and stop it sliding.
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Post by Mack on Sept 10, 2005 21:54:04 GMT 1
I used to be trained by Woff, but since the begining of last winter... I have stayed in Stevenage and have been coached by my dad and my wife. This year should be the same, only better, as last winter was just working out what to do, when and how. This time we will get it right, and next year.... I'll be throwing further.
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Post by Mack on Sept 10, 2005 21:55:21 GMT 1
And JB... if you have anything esle... please e-mail me, I'll be most greatfull.
Neil
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Post by beepee on Sept 11, 2005 0:44:23 GMT 1
Hey John what you trying to say mate? Im cosha I am... honest injun!! but I have to say that when I saw you a couple of weeks ago at Cudworth I did think it was uncanny that Brad Pitt was in Barnsley throwing the spear ;D haha or was it Tom Selleck aka Magnum? ( old telly superstar for the younger ones on the forum) . Im gonna start calling you Annie (rexic) you tart ...get some of the those Wakefield pork pies entered in that diary. Your wasting away man but must say you do look the part for a poser
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Post by Administrator on Sept 12, 2005 0:21:44 GMT 1
Althought its important to see calories in vs calories out you do need to keep some balance as to what you eat in order to get an appropriate amount of energy when you need it and also to ensure that you are able to recover effectively.
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Post by slinger on Sept 12, 2005 11:30:55 GMT 1
good point james, at the end of the day as a javelin thrower training say at least 3 times a week you are not a regular joe bloggs in the street your energy requirements are going to be much higher, and therefore higher than average cal intake is required. to lose abit of weight i suggest trying to cut out silly things like pepsi, cokeetc try diet versions which have much less cals and try to get as much of your carb intake from quality carb foods like pasta, potatoes etc try less sugar on cereal? less sugar in your coffee/tea? just a few simple ideas you don't have to eat lettuce all day!!!!! we aren't rabbits! is lasher about he knows some stuff about nutrition, i don't know anything scientific just common sense!
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Post by Mack on Sept 12, 2005 18:11:19 GMT 1
For the last 6 weeks I have lost 4 kg. I decided to look on everything I buy at Sainsburys, and make sure the fat content is below 4gs per 100g. I have cut out crisps, biscuits, chocolates, pizza, burgers, takeaway. I have started on the red top milk....(the one that resembles water). I can't do any running as half way through the season I have been getting shin problems (shin splints) and the only thing I can do is rest them... but I did buy a bike back in June and I am on that every other day for about 30-40 mins.
I'll have to look at the cals now. Thanks for the advice everyone.. I'm sure it will work..... some day! ;D
Anyone got an idea of what a low amount of cals is??
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Post by slinger on Sept 12, 2005 20:22:25 GMT 1
the average calories per day for a regular person is around 2500 for a man, but apparently if you are an active person then for someone between 18-35 years old and weighing 85kg then the ideal figure is 3300 [ soz neil the book doesn't go up to 115kg!!!!! ] but presumably the figured you'd be looking for is probably over 4000cals, this sounds like alot to me. i would therefore recommend you work out what number of cals you are taking in now and work out a diet that is slightly less, if that's not enough then minus the cals again. all that said you seem to be losing weight nicely, so well done you must be doing something right!!!! remember slow and steady wins the race!! keep it up!
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