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Post by ryanjav on Jul 30, 2007 22:07:15 GMT 1
My athlete has been seen by a good sports physio, who thinks that the problem is due to the fact that he too strong for his own good and due to this, the weakest link - his back, suffers due to that. He has recommended lots of core and no javelin until at least next year if not longer.
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Post by Caroline on Jul 30, 2007 22:55:28 GMT 1
I would still get the back checked out. My hammer thrower rested, did core work all through winter. It wasnt enough - the injury happened last year and despite the winter of lots of conditioning and core work his back was still weakened so that when he lifted slightly off centre (and he is an experienced lifter) the serious damage was done. I would also question the diagnosis of 'sprained vertibrae'.
Only the MRI scan could tell what the problem was - no physio can see inside! Although it will take some months to get to the root cause, it still has to be worth it if your thrower wants to have a successful winter training and season next year. Too late if you dont and he picks up something heavy off balance...
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Post by pj on Jul 30, 2007 23:41:30 GMT 1
Something that is not harmful is sound back extension exercise. When the back injures muscles go into spasm to protect the affected area. A New Zealand physiotherapist called McKenzie devised some very simple back extension exercises. There are books about them but I am sure if you google it you will get some info. If not PM me and I shall try to explain them to you.
Phil
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Post by jiunlin on Jul 31, 2007 0:17:16 GMT 1
I am 18, and i already have that problem on me, the good old Spondylolysis! lol! Took me a long time to recover those muscles and even now, some miscomfort are caused by it. Recently, my strained my lower back abit and the whole thing went crazy! my hamstring got so tight, and the glutes and so. Terrible terrible thing to have on, this spondylolysis!
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Post by jiunlin on Jul 31, 2007 14:43:52 GMT 1
o my goodness, what a day i had! tiring long hours of school, and training after. Bad bad throws, and my back hurts like mad! I'm having a appointment with the chiro tomorrow. Lets hope everything will be fine!
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Post by wez on Jul 31, 2007 14:47:43 GMT 1
Jiunlin, You need to be careful with that because i started out exactly as you have described and because i didn't know how to manage it it ended up progessing to the more advanced stage of Spondylolythesis which means that the weak point in the back which is causing your trouble (the pars) actually breaks after which it cannot fuse back together. Then the real trouble begins... To avoid this always wear a proper belt when weight lifting- always always lift and train with excellent posture and you should probably wear a belt while throwing too. Apart from that you can really minimise the chances of it advancing by doing a crazy amount of core work. I mean like 5 times per week and atleast one core exercise with every training session you do except perhaps throwing sessions. I'm sorry to hear you suffer from it too, but if you are smart it doesn't need to become such a big deal as it could be.
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Post by jiunlin on Jul 31, 2007 16:57:31 GMT 1
Hi Wez, thanks for your concern, but it already broke off! since last summer! haha! and yup, after that crazy crazy amount of rehab i did last conditioning phase, i managed to get quite upright again. So, they helped!
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Post by jiunlin on Aug 1, 2007 14:26:32 GMT 1
Hey mate, so i've seen the chiro on the follow up appointment today. Nothing serious (thanks Lord!) Just strain and tire, tight muscles on the lower back. The condition didnt worsen. Anyway, Wez, is your spikes still avaliable for me?
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Post by tshield on Jan 22, 2008 10:04:20 GMT 1
Hi Folks Regarding disc injuries - the major structural proteins within discs are replaced very slowly, over a period of ~ 300-500 days. In comparison, replacing half the contractile proteins within muscles (actin and myosin) takes ~2-4 weeks. The rates of repair are influenced at least partially by this fact. This is almost undoubtedly at least part of the explanation for the slow recovery displayed by Slinger and others who've had serious disc injury. Much of Slinger's early treatment occurred before structural repair could take place. This highlights the limited ability of many treatments for seriously damaged discs. This link shows a nice picture of a bulging disc www.spineonline.com/wilshire/AxHern.htmNow, at risk of being a little controversial I will say that many of the current lower back rehabilitation methods that are considered 'best practice' have no more evidence for them than any other approach. This is not to say they don't have positive effects but that there are a range of things that appear to work similarly. Being active is apparently good but the exact nature of the activity appears to matter a little less than some would like us to believe. I suspect that many treatments help fill the time gap during which minor niggles repair themselves! One needs to consider also that some seriously injured discs degenerate and never work optimally again. It is important in these cases to recognise the movements that cause the greatest problems and minimise them. Most bulging discs are painful in flexion (so heavy squats, deadlifts and cleans are problematic particularly with poor technique) although some are painful in hyperextension and can be aggravated by many of the exercises that Jav throwers like.
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Post by sam on Mar 13, 2009 16:25:36 GMT 1
bottom right hand side of my back is stinging.. just below the kidneys.. feels really pruised. i normally get this pain in the left hand side from throwing but this year its the opposite..
i'm now having to wear a back brace to throw because of it... anyone else getting this problem?
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Post by Luke on Mar 13, 2009 22:20:53 GMT 1
sam, i had bottom right hand back trouble u17 and i just left it and left it and then at english schools my pelvis went out of line which is very painful so my advice to you is go see a chiropractor they should sort it right out
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Post by pj on Mar 14, 2009 0:15:42 GMT 1
My advice, well meaning and from much experience is stay well clear of Chiropractors "They ARE alternative "and in my opinion are quacks who will take 'loadsamoney' off you for very little meaningful progressive treatment.
To explain: You will keep going back when really the best treatment, preventative and rehabilitative is 'back extension exercises' ad infinitum !!
PJ
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Post by sam on Mar 15, 2009 20:24:39 GMT 1
i threw again yesterday.. Not very well i might add.. Oh well 4 sessions in 7 days 2good ones and 2 bad ones. Anyway.. My back today has been agony.. But spread up to between my shoulder blades. This afternoon i could take it no more and had to get my gf to stand on my back.. A double crack and the release of pressure in my back and i'd say 90% of my pain is gone..
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Post by dobster on Mar 16, 2009 8:05:59 GMT 1
Sam - i used to get something similar to what you have experienced just above. A few things I did that helped massively:
- Plenty of good quality core stability work and lower back mobilisation. - Lieing on a medball and rolling up and down on my spine, caused the joints in the spine to crack and helped immensly. - Plenty of stretching in the glutes, lower back.
Helped for me
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Post by wez on Mar 16, 2009 10:38:59 GMT 1
Tom is absolutely bang on there, its what i still do and it keeps you in check.
About the rolling on the medball with your back one, you can also hold a light medball in out stretched arms parallel to the floor to increase the stretch and more often than not it will crack you back into position, just try to relax while you do it and keep your hips off the floor.
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