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Post by pembrokian on Oct 21, 2009 17:57:57 GMT 1
October 21 - Robert Weir, Britain's national event coach for heavy throws, has quit after less than a year in the job, it was announced today.
Weir, who had been in post for 10 months and worked out of the National Performance Centre at Loughborough, had been the first major appointment of head coach Charles van Commenee's new regime.
The double Commonwealth Games champion in the hammer in 1982 and the discus in 1998 has been a leading coach in the United States for 20 years.
His roles there have included being the head coach for the US team that competed at the 2006 World Junior Championships in Beijing and the US throws coach at the 2005 and 2007 World Championships in Helsinki and Osaka respectively.
But he failed to adapt to his new role here.
Van Commenee said: "We would like to wish Robert well, but our focus now must be on the future of heavy throws both in the short and longer term.
"It is clear that we need to strengthen both coach and athlete development and we intend to move quickly to ensure this happens and we do not lose momentum."
Weir said: "I would like to wish Charles all the best for the future."
Is this proof that good coaches don't necessarily make good managers of coaches ?
I liked this bit..... "but our focus now must be on the future of heavy throws".
So still, in the eyes of our masters, we don't exist; priceless.
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Post by wilow412 on Oct 21, 2009 22:07:42 GMT 1
Maybe they include jav in the heavy throws as a group although it is only a 600g or 800g stick lol
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Post by jeremy on Oct 22, 2009 10:46:25 GMT 1
Have been speaking to Robert Weir over the last few days to try to get his help on a young decathlete I coach.
The situation here about Robert sucks.
Why would anyone leave their family in the USA to come and work inthe UK for 3 years (2012) and then quit after less than a year.
Why oh Why would anyone do that?
Like John Trower he has a "gagging order". This compined with the fact that Mark Proctor has left England Athletics as "shot" coach and that Shelley Hollroyd has left too (by the way i haven't spoken to either of these two to confirm) leads me to only one conclusion.
UKA doesn't care about the throws, they are soley focused on 2012 and knighthoods after the closing ceremony.
These unelected people, who don't seem to have a burning passion for our sport seem to have forgotten that UKA is responsible for all the events of Track and Field from grassroots to Olympics and paralympics.
The current Board of UKA should be booted out immediately for gross negligence as it is clear that they have failed to understand what their remit is.
If CVC (responsible soley for the podium performance athletes, currently 25 plus their coaches) is on £250k a year and Kevin Tyler (responsible for all the rest of the coaching strategy and delivery) is on £160k a year then that is too much money for people who don't seem to understand the mission statement of their employers, UKA. The main reason why so many UKA people are being sacked is probably to pay the huge salaries for these people and others who have recently been employed who appear to be "mates" with the new "hirers".
You couldn't make this up.
As the taxpayers who fund this National Governing Body, we should have a thorough audit of who does what, how they are paid and where does every penny of the £25m
This proud nation deserves better than this. And to any youngsters and their parents reading this, the javelin community has a long and proud history of encouraging and helping people to enjoy the sport of javelin, probably the finest of all the Track and Field disciplines. As a group of volunteer coaches we consistantly help people of all ages and abilities to have fun and try to get the best out of their potential.
Jeremy
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Post by sam on Oct 22, 2009 10:48:36 GMT 1
for once jeremy....well said!
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Post by geoff on Oct 22, 2009 11:33:14 GMT 1
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Post by jeremy on Oct 22, 2009 12:15:22 GMT 1
Sorry, I was misinformed about Shelley Hollroyd. She works for UKA, coaching disabled athletes.
My apologies.
Jeremy
PS Robert Weir didn't jump, he was pushed. Fact
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Post by sam on Oct 22, 2009 13:34:26 GMT 1
someone obviously put a bad word in CVC's ear about him....
anyone else feeling disillusioned with the sport at the moment?
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Post by H on Oct 22, 2009 15:03:21 GMT 1
someone obviously put a bad word in CVC's ear about him.... anyone else feeling disillusioned with the sport at the moment? Nope!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by lala on Oct 22, 2009 21:18:06 GMT 1
interesting comment about shelley I heard from her friend Charlie that she was up for a senior Javelin coaching post making her the first female jav coach to hold such a position.
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Post by sam on Oct 24, 2009 23:13:01 GMT 1
that's got to be the biggest joke i've heard this year. Show me her coaching cv please. Lol
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Post by Caroline on Oct 25, 2009 18:29:54 GMT 1
that's got to be the biggest joke i've heard this year. Show me her coaching cv please. Lol Well I for one think that Shelley has probably forgotten more about javelin than most coaches will ever know. She has considerable experience at top level too, as well as having coached an athlete to qualification for Beijing last year. If the powers that be are considering her, I think they could do a lot worse. I wasn't aware you were on the selection panel anyway, Sam? |
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Post by sam on Oct 25, 2009 19:08:33 GMT 1
which athlete was that then?
seriously.. don't all of us in the javelin community have a right to know what credentials the prospective leads for the event have bearing in mind we have to be able to accept them and work with them... or at least they have to be able to work with us.. at the moment my experince of shelley is one of attempted poaching and crying to those at the top when things aren't going her way.
when the going got tough she threw her dummy out the pram and stopped being a vocal part of the javelin community.
like it or not this forum has over 550 members and at one click of a button all can be contacted.. i doubt that the governing body could claim such a feat... so the lead needs to work either with us or alongside us to assist getting the message across...
the community knows who we want as the lead for our event... John Trower. the man has been there done it and printed the T-Shirts he has coached world record holder and worked with some of the top in the sport for nearly 20 years.
just because someone coached an athlete to an olympic games or major champs does not give them automatic entry to be the lead for the event....otherwise let's get Merv's old coach John to be the lead.. no disrespect to him, he did a great job, but I think even he would admit that what he did with merv doesn't warrant him being eligible for the top spot.
shelley showed to us at the national squads winter 07/08 just how much she has forgotten when looking at sequencing of mervyn throwing.. she ripped it apart claiming it was poor and didn't really know who he was.. the sequence was of merv coming in off an easy approach and throwing it the way a javelin should be thrown. the distances were around 78/79m and it was EASY. everyone except her was in agreement that mervyn's throwing looked like backley when he was throwing. i was shocked at her comments
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Post by slinger on Oct 25, 2009 19:36:22 GMT 1
I think you are being a tad disrespectful there Sam.
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Post by sam on Oct 25, 2009 19:39:19 GMT 1
why's that phil?
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Post by slinger on Oct 25, 2009 20:14:45 GMT 1
...with you saying that if Shelley was appointed it'd be and I quote "the biggest joke I have heard this year"
Now unless you are involved in a private joke that I don't know about, it is disrespectful. I take it you know Shelley well enough then to pass judgment on her coaching credentials?
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