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Post by tomd on Nov 10, 2005 0:12:08 GMT 1
Have been around these forums for a while now (probably since they started), I have noticed that there has been a dramatic decline in the amount of quality postings and posters. There are virtually no coaches on the forum and I have also noticed a marked increase in valuable posts either being deleted or just simply ignored. So with effect I have deleted my account. I may just pop back now and again to have a a quick look through the various threads, but do not anticiptae posting anymore.
To the boys and girls on the forum - Good Luck
Tom
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Post by slinger on Nov 10, 2005 13:29:30 GMT 1
i don't really understand why you've done that tom?  you are one the highest ranked athletes in the UK on the forum and have given lot's of much needed advice to people which i'm sure they've taken on board and used well.............i for one asked for advice on medi. ball ex's and you answered me...... it's true there aren't many coaches on here........but there aren't that many in the country!!!!! but there are alot of young [er] athletes or athletes which would benefit from someone with your experience and technical knowledge..........it's just a shame for them that you aren't posting any more - as you were one of the more regular posters on the forum, i hope your winter is proggressive and healthy, good luck........phill  |
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Post by eggbert000 on Nov 10, 2005 16:07:41 GMT 1
Would this of just been easier to have vented his feelings on this subject i have been reading some of the comments that tom has put on the forum and alot of these are very helpful in my mind this website is a great way of expressing ideas and also to bring alot of knowledge and experience to the site for alot of the younger throwers to leave the site really is not the answer we should all have a laugh and be able to learn about the event. That said i wish Tom all the best on his training and in competitons.
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Post by Administrator on Nov 10, 2005 17:39:33 GMT 1
I understand that the tone of the forum has changed slightly over the last few weeks and is in some respects more of a chat function than a pure information source but I feel that because of this change more people have become involved with the site. I think that there is still a lot of good information (take for example some great advice yesterday from Mr Parker the no.2 thrower in Britain in the left foot right foot post) and advice being passed on to people through these pages and it has also recently become a good way of javelin throwers getting together and getting to know each other even if it isn't 100% javelin related.
I have a lot of respect for Tom, being one of the top throwers in our country and also a team mate but I don't feel that leaving the board helps anything. One of his concerns was that there are not enough influential voices on here and since yesterday there is now one less. I hope that he and other throwers and coaches continue to contribute. The success of the board does not rely on the people moderating it but on everyone who can post some information to help others.
I'm not entirely sure how or where the tone has been lowered on this board but I would like for people to make suggestions in ways that it could be improved so that it remains a good source of knowledge and support in the future.
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Post by sam on Nov 10, 2005 21:08:14 GMT 1
Well that is dissapointing...
Sam
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Post by slinger on Nov 11, 2005 13:25:58 GMT 1
james is right any information given is good information - it maybe useful to one and be of no use to another......but at least information is being passed on, yes the posts recently have changed slightly to more of a chat room, but that's what the chat function is for!!!!! there are other sections were people can post about technique, injuries, training etc. is general chat bad? i don't think so as it's a great way to come accross like minded people with a similar interest, so what if the talk is on cars, i find that interesting, if you don't - bring something else up that you do........at the end of the day people use the forum for different reasons i use it to learn and to meet people, others use it to just get info on javelin throwing, in my short time on here i've posted a few articles of various technical aspects given my opinion on various training, diets, and details of my own personal experiences and i've given advice to people were asked, if they some how contradict someone else's views then so be it - that's good as at least we can learn from each other and pick out the relelvant bits that we think could help us, i think tom thought i was trying to be big and macho but were's the macho in that!!!!!! ? yes i've had quite a fair old bit of banter, but that's part and parcel of the forum isn't it??? - to have a laugh? ......as for people getting heated about various discussions - well they need to calm down, because not once have i or anyone i've seen from previous posts [and i've read most of the archived section] said anything personal about anyone - haven't you noticed i use a lot of '!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' that's because it's said with humour!!!! ;D examples - i said that if carolyn wasn't on the forum she didn't deserve the job!!!! well come on if that's offensive.......man, it was an obvious bit of phill sharpe humour!!! and i've had a bit of banter with sam, which tom thought was offensive, little did tom know i have sent sam a few messages saying what a great job with the site!!!!! i've also given sam SPECIAL  advice for bonne's throwing!!! - now if i had something against sam do you think i'd give him advice so bonne can throw further than what i did as an U/17? - i don't FINK so!!!!! any way i've said enough today!!!!!! |
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Post by pj on Nov 12, 2005 9:35:14 GMT 1
I have been on this Forum by and large for nearly a year now. As a former sprinter and sprint coach I 'accidentally' became involved in Javelin coaching through introducing David Parker to the event and then meeting up with Wilf Paish. I am not coaching at present mainly because of where I live. But if I can sort out the qualifications system I could very easily return.
However I have to say I am learning a lot from this forum. You don't have to be involved in the General Chat Forum, much of which is frivolous to say the least. I think all bad language is tiotally unuecessary. There are appropriate words in our vocabulary for every situation or topic. I agree whole-heartedly with Tom's point of view, but Tom you cannot change it from the outside looking in. I suggest you only involve yourself with what you are interested in and that is the coaching/technical side of the event. Ignore anything else.
James I also agree with you and may I suggest that in some way you involve Tom, who is very much respected in Javelin circles for his knowledge, sportsmanship, friendliness etc, perhaps as a moderator or some other guru status.
regards
Phil Parker
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Post by slinger on Nov 12, 2005 12:28:38 GMT 1
good to see you back on the site phil..........
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Post by H on Nov 13, 2005 22:01:09 GMT 1
Tom Tom Tom!!
You have surprised me!! A man of your intelligence and experience to leave a forum like this, which is a source of MUCH NEEDED tips etc for the younger guys is a crime!!
Whenever I've needed advice etc there's only two guys i go to!! YOU and Nosey!!
And as the other guys have said there are'nt a lot of guys on this forum with the experience /knowledge to pass on!! Also you have the knowledge that Mike passed to you and literally no-one has any of that!!! So you should pass it on!!!
In terms of quality posters on this place we have a retired 25 yr old (sorry phil) and a few other guys who actually know what they are on about to glean from!!
I suppose I am guilty of not contributing the little that i know to the others and using it for bant, so here is the longest most serious post i've wrote yet!!
So Tom, don't be a girl and throw your teddies and come back online and share your knowledge!!!
We all keep saying how our event is in a state of disarray in this country and by leaving the forum it ain't gonna get any better!!
Anyway that's my rant over with!!
Also, this site is turning into Sharpy's own little website!!! Don't know how,but we need to stop taking over!!! Answers on a postcard!!!
H
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Post by eggbert000 on Nov 14, 2005 9:51:37 GMT 1
Has any 1 actually noticed that this website is called thejavelinclub?? and that there is a forum called GENERAL CHAT does this not mean you should not chat on this? ? this part of the site to me is where u have open discussions between any 1 hu wants to join in!! there are other forums on the site for training / technique there are alot of people on this site with good knowleadge but dont have time to contribute as james said the no2 thrower in the country is a member posting some great advice the more post by people with this kind of knowleadge is only going help every person on here. Rob |
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Post by slinger on Nov 14, 2005 12:17:26 GMT 1
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Post by eggbert000 on Nov 14, 2005 14:58:50 GMT 1
Exactly the point of this site ppl who have got good experience and knowleadge of the event all ideas should be posted no matter how useful cause no 1 throws the same but if we can take a bit out of each piece of information posted it will only be benificial to learn. for me having Lasher,slinger and tom on the site is of great help hear the advice these people give as they dont have to give advise but do so for me its a great help due to not having a coach.
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Post by slinger on Nov 14, 2005 16:29:27 GMT 1
as said before any information given, despite how trivial is good information - to one person it might not apply but to another it might be very benefitting...... ......i also like the idea of people pehaps explaining how they got into the event or sport as we all have interesting stories to tell, plus it means we get to know one another a bit more!!! [ ] which is one of the great things about the site - we get to meet and speak to people we would not ordinarilly speak to and i think that's brilliant!!!!!! ;D ...also not sure if you've noticed but the newest memeber on the site is from toronto!!!!! word's spreading accross the globe - welcome sir!!!!!! i've also noticed more guests looking in!! - is it you tom??? can you hear me??!!! |
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Post by pj on Nov 14, 2005 18:41:21 GMT 1
As this seems to be the leading topic at the moment, how else can we persuade Tom Dobbing to return to the fold? Perhape a response from the Administrators would help? Any ideas guys? He can ignore all the general chat and only involve himself with the technicalities.
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Post by JB on Nov 14, 2005 19:37:32 GMT 1
Hi Everyone,
its been a while since i posted cos im trying to move house at the moment and struggling for time as im into a twice a day 6 days a week winter programme now.
i was very sad to read your post Tom and would ask you to reconsider your decision.
that said i dont feel bound by the politeness of sam and james and would say your decision to jump ship and comments are frankly ridiculous. Its very easy to climb on the soapbox and spout your criticisms ... its a dam sight harder to actually try and achieve something for this site.
you are a great thrower and have achieved a lot. i know you also give a lot of your time to younger athletes and the development of the sport. I personally have got some great advice from you and all my questions have been answered quickly and with great thought, which i really appreciate.
but you seem to be forgetting something here tom... without this website i would have never had access to you to ask those questions! i started this sport 2 years ago when there was no website like this for me to turn to. i, like you, spent time visiting the US forum and when on there i saw a post from a young lad called sam asking for help with setting up a uk version of the US forum.
after that i got in touch with sam and his friend james and also sam cater and we all set about helping sam realise his idea. this took an incredible amount of work mainly from sam and jim to set up the website. ... and it really was like nothing else out there at that time. the website is a truly definative source of information gathered from all over the world on how to train, lift, think, eat and stay healthy for javelin. we have had hits from all over the world and sam has recieved mails of congratulations from many great throwers and coaches.
the forum ws actually started as a bi-product of the website and basically snowballed from there. we were lucky enough to have james on board who knows a lot about all things internetty and he set up this style of forum. now if you look again at the main page there are many different sections on technique training etc and just one section on general chat. for first time visitors they can access the link to website for more info than they can shake a spear at or they can read the technique questions to see if someone has answered there question already.
they can also then look into the general section, a section that our members have chosen to turn into a space for friendly banter and less technical questions / points of opinion... this is exaclty what the section is for and if you dont like it then spend your time reading the areas of the website and forum that we spent hours constructuing that do interest you. so its got a little out of hand on occasions and some odd stuff has come on... but dont bite the hand that feeds you... these are not randoms off the street doing this tom its JAVELIN THROWERS.. we are clearly an odd bunch and this siet was created as a service to bring our community together and it has.
as i said im new to the sport but attened the cau's this year nervous as hell but knowing i would know people when i arrived helped me lots. cos of this forum and this forum alone i have met james, mick, brian, ant, jim evs, sam , sam c, jim, rob, glynn, dave, h, chris, merv, bonne and many others in comps last season and had a great laugh as well as competing with them in javfest.
without this forum javfest 1& 2 would not have happened off the back of the website alone... justification itself that it is an outstanding success
whilst i know your not attempting to attack sam and jims efforts or the website your post HAS done that.
you were a great assett to this site and i sincerely hope you come back and change your decision. but to throw the dummy, go as far as to cancel your account then make the melodramtic post without consideration or thanks for the efforts put in by people giving there own time was totally of order... and to be honest i complete kick in the teeth to me jim and sam.
please mail me if you have any suggestions on how we could improve the site or any way in which we could get you back on board.... in the meantime i would ask you at least keep your eye on the technique section incase anyone posts who may benefit from your knowledge, if you think you can help them, then mail me and i'll give you that persons contact details.
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