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Post by sam on May 12, 2009 15:26:56 GMT 1
also consider a change in grip if you use thumb and fore finger to grip the spear. change it to middle finger and thumb with forefinger wraped closly around the shaft above middle finger. it changes the tension in the forearm
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Post by hollingworth on May 12, 2009 15:38:17 GMT 1
cheers Sam i will try that too when i'm allowed to throw again
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Post by slinger on May 12, 2009 16:41:43 GMT 1
thanks chaps !!!!!!!!!!!!!! looks like it might be best to just not throw for 6 weeks at all and just do lots of stretching/strengthening exercises. agree, now knowing you how you throw glynn, may i suggest that in the mean time still do some running work with the javelin - you know the stuff we have done in the past, but also and importantly alot of competition run up practise, so full comp run up down, spear in hand but just a dry run through with no throw at the end obviously - so go as far as working off for the impulse stride. this is all i will be doing and have been doing with regards getting competition ready as i cannot throw in training for injuries. can i also suggest whilst you are in the x over phase of the throw you try and maintain a nice high carry of the spear, as your arm tends to be low at this point of your throw, with your elbow tucking in low.....this will always be a recipe for hurting the elbow. and the best bit about practising run ups dry, is that you won't hurt yourself, you can do as many as you want, you are being super productive and by the end of the 6 weeks or so you will firing and just gagging to lob!! take a gander at this 91.46m backley throw on youtube. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLbBTGpBEyU3 key points for you on that matey. 1. probably most important at this time for you to remain healthy is note the high hand, with the long arm - all the way through the throw. 2. the percieved acceleration on the approach - something which you can work on and "feel" when you are practising your run ups. 3. the "together-ness" the throw has in that it seems as one, with no obvious altercations, noteably at withdrawl and into impulse - all very smooth and seemless - learn to feel that matey on your practise run ups. do that mate and i promise you will of done some real productive work and you will for sure see some progression, but do give your elbow ALL the time it needs. hope that helps pal.
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Post by hollingworth on May 12, 2009 19:01:42 GMT 1
Will do Phil your input is much appreciated thanks
.Good luck to you this year mate stay fit.
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Post by Caroline on May 12, 2009 21:32:12 GMT 1
One piece of advice that I give to my group is to keep your elbow as close to your ear as possible. Sounds daft but seems to work!
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Post by slinger on May 18, 2009 9:40:49 GMT 1
Interesting what Slinger says about 'over-throwing'. There are different schools of thought that winter should be for throwing as well as fitness, or just fitness alone to allow for the shoulder to rehab itself. Now... I know my pal Slinger threw a lot when he was a youngster... with hindsight - which is the better option?? apologies i missed this one caroline. to answer, i think it's totally subjective to the individual - as some people need to throw more than others and this is particularly the case with youngsters and novices especially that are still getting to grips with the event. certainly over throwing has caused problems for me of late, but as a youngster that's all the training i ever did....now i'm not condoning at all that this is what youngsters should do, as tbh i didn't have a choice, as i just didn't have the facilities to "train" and when i did i just didn't enjoy the "training" for javelin throwing, so i just threw javelins instead, this of course will of had a big impact in why i, personally haven't improved much since being 17 or so. ...but what throwing all year round and in great quantity has given me is that seemingly my throwing technique [which of course isn't perfect] is quite grooved in and seemingly i can go very long spells of zero throwing and then within weeks throw to my own lowly standards on par with the years previous and not too far short of my lifetime's best. in my mind a young novice thrower needs to throw regular, or certainly be practising their event by some means of drills/exercises etc - a young thrower that just practises throwing come every summer season in my mind will of most likely "lost" the aquired skills from the summer previous and will take time to re-learn them the following summer, whereas an athlete that has practised and honed their throwing skills throughout the off season in the winter time will have not only learnt new skills, but added some consistency in previous skills. throwing javelins is a very destructive sport on the body - i know of none more so in athletics, so managing young throwers throwing quanities is important, also a clever coach and athlete can adopt ways of less stressful, lower intensity style throwing which still requires the same skills of harder throws....of course teaching correct skills will help in avoiding injuries - such as sore elbows from athletes throwing alone and with no guidance, but injuries even then will always occur with javelin throwing. personally if i could given a clean bill of health i would always opt to after the season has finished a period of none throwing and then an even longer period of none throwing javelins....some elite athletes may choose to not throw any impliments till the new year, this seems quite a common trend amongst elite athletes, however elite athlete do tend to have longer and later seasons than most club level UK athletes. talking from my own experience of this past winter time - i have not thrown or trained in any form whatsoever, but i have thrown once so far in competition and will do a hand full more this summer season and most probably in my instance it will have no effect on my distances, but like i said previous i'm coming off the back of countless throws in my throwing career - most probably more than any thrower throwing right now and certainly more than any with the same years as my experience so my technique is what it is, it's just there on tap....a novice needs some form of fairly constant technical training in my book.
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